Pleasantly surprised in Sunday school.

K

Keiller TN

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I attend a Sunday school class entitled, "The Christian & Today's Issues." Yesterday, the teacher brought up the 2nd Amendment issue. One girl had lost two friends who had been shot. One of them was a girl whose own gun was used on her. However, the girl who lost her friends did not think that other people's guns should be taken away. Other people articulated a pro-2nd Amendment position throughout the discusion. My surprise is due to the fact that I never hear them talk about guns or the 2nd Amendment. Maybe there are a lot of closet toters out there?

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Alexander Solzhenitzyn:
"Freedom is given to the human conditionally, in the assumption of his constant religious responsibility."
 
See, there *are* people with functioning brain masses out there. ...if only I could meet a few outside this board. :)


Hueco
 
everyon in the English side of my church, well, (everyone under 30) know I am a Gun Owner and that I enjoy shooting. i advertise this fact. Have offrered to take anyone who want to out to the range.

I was surprised how many people were indifferent about gun ownership as long as they don't have to see them (my guns).

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It ain't mah fault. did I do dat?
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As an orthodox jew we pray everday day and I wear my gun out b/c that is how I wear it at work (I work at a pawnshop). None of my fellow congregants carry guns, and I only know of one who owns one, but those people feel damn safe when I am there. They themselves wouldn't own one, but they feel safer when I am there, and the rabbi has told me to come more often.

One time they had a problem with some hoodlums outside, so they asked me to go outside and make sure everyone leaves safely. I told them to defend themselves, and a few of them got it. I went out and made sure everyone got out safely, but I made sure people saw my point and realized I am not the nut they think I am, and I am not crazy for carrying my gun-- even when I am not working.

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"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."

--Ayn Rand, in "The Nature of Government"
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Keiller TN:
I attend a Sunday school class entitled, "The Christian & Today's Issues." Yesterday, the teacher brought up the 2nd Amendment issue. [/quote]

Oh man, they shouldn't have done that. The IRS will be by soon, and take everyting they have for not discouring ownership of firearms. And for potentially operating as a lobbying effort.
Sort of joking, but not really. Don't be surprised if someone comes by to see the reverend about "issues" being discussed.
A church is a gathering to practice the merits, and morals of Godliness, and sin, and salvation(??) To openly discuss self-protection is taboo in our culture now. We're sheep as in the Bible, and we shant forget it...

Best Regards,
Don

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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms;
History shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
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"Corrupt the young, get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial, and destroy their rugged- ness.
Get control of all means of publicity, and thereby get the peoples' mind off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and plays, and other trivialities.
Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance."

Vladimir Ilich Lenin, former leader of USSR
 
I found out this Memorial Day that my Sister-in-Law supports the NRA's stand. Now, I know she is a very conservative Christian, but I had no idea she was this close to being on my side. I'm hoping my brother starts teaching her to shoot. I bet her that she could outshoot him.

Churches are a good place to bring these things up, I believe. At least the cussing will be held to a minimum.
 
I attend a Mennonite Church, as some of you probably know Mennonites are traditionally rabidly anti-selfdefense. In our congregation we find a wide range of opinions. In our membership of approx 75 people there are at least three who hold CHL permits, myself included, and all of us (CHLs) have held positions of leadership in the congregation from time to time. I routinly carry concealed on Sunday morning. We also have a number of pro-RBKA people who aren't at all interested in owning a gun because they don't feel the need. (we live in a smallish commmunity, pop 25,000, with little crime.)
On the other hand we have one woman who works as a "peace and justice educator" who spends a lot of effort teaching lies, and another pacifist who gets so upset about nonpacifists that he almost becomes violent.
It's an interesting mix. The thing that holds us together is the fact that we love Jesus more than the issues which divide us.
 
I'd decided before the end of this schoo year that my little one was no longer going to be exposed to the evils of a State run school system.

We've looked around, and settled upon a nice little Christian school not far from home.
My reason for final resolve came this past year, in a matter where my little guy was chastised for protecting himself from several of his peers. He, and I had discussed this "problem" several times to his teacher, and the Principal, to no avail. Only under threat of litigation, (in the form of a letterhead from our attorney)did they back off on this.

Our liar in chief would have us believe that this "zero tolerance" crap is for the children. But as I had repeatedly explained to the local Principal, there was absolute tolerance for the countinual harassment of my son. He was unmoved by the cuts, buises, and chipped teeth my son was sustaining from his classmates while in "play". This was violence, and nothing short of it.

Best Regards,
Don

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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms;
History shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
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"Corrupt the young, get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial, and destroy their rugged- ness.
Get control of all means of publicity, and thereby get the peoples' mind off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and plays, and other trivialities.
Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance."

Vladimir Ilich Lenin, former leader of USSR
 
Conservative, I was once in a Mennonite Brethern church. There was a fair mix of opinions on the subject of self defense there, but no devisiveness over the issue.

Don, I kept all my children at home for their schooling. I think much of our educational system is less about education than the leftist agenda. It is interesting that when the older four children were home I did not have a gun in the house until they were about ready to leave home. The three oldest now have guns and believe in the need of self defense. I think number four may still be at the age of invincibility. :)
 
My Father-in-law is a Baptist Deacon, never owned a gun in his life. A while back while watching the news they did a bit about the need for gun control and his reaction surprised me... he really thinks the passage of stricter laws restricting ownership is a waste of time and money. The moral decline of America, violence on TV and movies and the general lack of respect for others is the problem in his (and my) opinion.
 
Conservative notes about his church, "The thing that holds us together is the fact that we love Jesus more than the issues which divide us."

If only we believed enough in our Constitution (and its original intent) that we could be held together in spite of the issues which divide us.

We sure could solve a lot of problems - including those issues which divide us.

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!

TFL End of Summer Meet, August 12th & 13th, 2000
 
What do you make of this? Last Sunday the guest pastor at my church invoked the mercy of God upon the 13 year old shooter in the Florida school shooting. I don't remember him touching on the innocent victim, or else the mention was incidental. That really made me mad. A lame (even nihilistic) preacher is pushing mercy for the guilty whilst the innocent lie unremembered...something is wrong with that...
 
Bam Bam, maybe it was an oversight. Of course, we all need God's mercy and grace, but it is sad that the teacher got shot (I suppose in a gun free zone). I wonder if the teacher had family left behind? The kid who shot him will probably have to do some time in prison. I don't think the prison time will do any good unless his life is turned around otherwise.

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Alexander Solzhenitzyn:
"Freedom is given to the human conditionally, in the assumption of his constant religious responsibility."
 
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