g.willikers, thanks for that link, I think I have seen it before but have long forgotten. I found some interesting prospects near some of my sporadically spread out family and friend places. I love shooting with my dad and stepdad and a couple friends, but the drive out to "my spot" is overwhelming for them and I refuse to try to have good time at an indoor range, it's no fun at all when cooped up in your cubicle without being able to hear each other speak.