Pistol grip shoulder stocks
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I think that you are talking about a regular butt stock that also has a true pistol grip hanging underneath.
If we're on the same page here, I will give you my .02.
Unless you are planning on carrying the SG in your hands all day, they are a bother.
A good friend of mine had one on his Marine Magnum and swore it was the cat's meow until we took a SG course together.
With a sling on the weapon, it was nothing but trouble to present the SG from either African or American carry.
He swapped to a regular synthetic as soon as we got back from the class.
In my opinion, they are OK if you are going to hold the gun in your hands for extended periods of time but otherwise I would not bother.
Of course you will no doubt want to discover this yourself as my buddy did.
Mike
If we're on the same page here, I will give you my .02.
Unless you are planning on carrying the SG in your hands all day, they are a bother.
A good friend of mine had one on his Marine Magnum and swore it was the cat's meow until we took a SG course together.
With a sling on the weapon, it was nothing but trouble to present the SG from either African or American carry.
He swapped to a regular synthetic as soon as we got back from the class.
In my opinion, they are OK if you are going to hold the gun in your hands for extended periods of time but otherwise I would not bother.
Of course you will no doubt want to discover this yourself as my buddy did.
Mike
It's all going to depend on you. I've taken numerous shotgun classes with my marine magnum that has a choate pistol grip stock on it and a sling. I had no problems getting it unslung for firing and that was with my full duty belt on. I've been in an armed standoff with a man with a shotgun last year on duty and I loved that pistol grip stock.
I have one on my Mossy 590 and love it. I have put alot of rounds through mine. I have carried it for miles on, up and around the hills here in Utah. I have done the same with it slung. One of the main reasons that I have it set up with that stock is I want most of my weapons as similar as possable. My AK, AR and 590 all have the combo stocks(pistol grip+fixed shoulder stock) on them. But as always...what works for me may not work for you. To each his own and do what works for you.
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Riz
My .1/2 Cents
Riz
I've found that PG full stocks make reloading the gun while still having it indexed at the target far easier. You can load with the off hand and still keep a firing grip and sight index of the hostile target, even fire if you need to. Not as stable as a proper mount, but better than trying to quickly flip the gun over, remount, re-aquire the target, and fire (if you choose to load with the loading port upward, that is).
PG shotguns tend to slap the palm when firing, something not seen with the straight stock. They also increase the muzzle's tendency to due to the firing hand's increased distance from the boreline. For Remington 870/1100/11-87, I like the Speedfeed PG full stock the best. I have the Choate Mk V Adj. on my 1201FP which, while astheticly challenged, works well. I haven't found it to be slower than the straight stock when it comes to presenting it from a sling, but its possible some may have problems with it. I'd give it a try and see if it works. You can always sell the PG stock on Ebay at a foolishly inflated price, as is the custom.
PG shotguns tend to slap the palm when firing, something not seen with the straight stock. They also increase the muzzle's tendency to due to the firing hand's increased distance from the boreline. For Remington 870/1100/11-87, I like the Speedfeed PG full stock the best. I have the Choate Mk V Adj. on my 1201FP which, while astheticly challenged, works well. I haven't found it to be slower than the straight stock when it comes to presenting it from a sling, but its possible some may have problems with it. I'd give it a try and see if it works. You can always sell the PG stock on Ebay at a foolishly inflated price, as is the custom.
I have both
I personally like the feel of the Choate MK5 I have on my HD gun, however I can shoot the regular stocked one just as well. I think it comes down to a matter of what you like, and the way your hands are shaped, both will do the job. I tend to notice less recoil with the PG version, but as you can see, its also alot heavier.
I personally like the feel of the Choate MK5 I have on my HD gun, however I can shoot the regular stocked one just as well. I think it comes down to a matter of what you like, and the way your hands are shaped, both will do the job. I tend to notice less recoil with the PG version, but as you can see, its also alot heavier.
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Erick
Yes, its the adjustable one. I personally use the full length extenders as shown, but I can take 2 spacers out and drop down to a 13" LOP. I am a pretty big guy, but for the average person it might be more comfortable if you took one out. Other applications that I woudnt need it for is maybe for a L.E.O that used body armor, the .5 inch difference might make it feel "correct" while wearing it. For my purposes I could have gotten the non adjustable one, but its nice to have an option.
Thanks, Opie
Yes, its the adjustable one. I personally use the full length extenders as shown, but I can take 2 spacers out and drop down to a 13" LOP. I am a pretty big guy, but for the average person it might be more comfortable if you took one out. Other applications that I woudnt need it for is maybe for a L.E.O that used body armor, the .5 inch difference might make it feel "correct" while wearing it. For my purposes I could have gotten the non adjustable one, but its nice to have an option.
Thanks, Opie
Dr. Charles Lee Ray
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As Dave mentioned above, the biggest issue on the Mossies is the location of the safety. You will be required to drop your firing grip to access the tang mounted system. This problem is not encountered on safeties designed around the trigger-guard area(Remington, Benelli, Berretta, etc).
Arguments about pistol-griped stocks will continue. On a combat rifle, they allow the user to perform reloads without loosing their firing-grip. As with my AR15s, all mechanisms are accessable with the firing hand on the pistol-grip(trigger, mag-release, safety). Of course, the bolt-release is not, but this is covered by the non-firing-hand after insertion of a fresh magazine.
The Benelli M4 is now being produced for the US Marines. It has the pistol-grip design, BUT it also has an oversized safety located on the trigger-guard behind the trigger area. If a tang mounted system was specified, the use of a conventional stock would have also been chosen, I'm sure.
Unless you plan on carrying the Mossy with the safety off, during employment, you will be greatly slowed when it comes time to fire. Firing controls are designed to be ergonomic. The Mossberg's safety is designed for use with conventional stocks. Just a thought.
Arguments about pistol-griped stocks will continue. On a combat rifle, they allow the user to perform reloads without loosing their firing-grip. As with my AR15s, all mechanisms are accessable with the firing hand on the pistol-grip(trigger, mag-release, safety). Of course, the bolt-release is not, but this is covered by the non-firing-hand after insertion of a fresh magazine.
The Benelli M4 is now being produced for the US Marines. It has the pistol-grip design, BUT it also has an oversized safety located on the trigger-guard behind the trigger area. If a tang mounted system was specified, the use of a conventional stock would have also been chosen, I'm sure.
Unless you plan on carrying the Mossy with the safety off, during employment, you will be greatly slowed when it comes time to fire. Firing controls are designed to be ergonomic. The Mossberg's safety is designed for use with conventional stocks. Just a thought.