As I recall, the only part of that shotgun the ATF's unelected civil servants care about is the OAL
I do agree. But... That's where it gets dicey, if not specific.My understanding is that it has to meet both the barrel length and overall length limits or its an NFA weapon.
So long as you comfortably point it, and not try to aim it.
No.(...) which the ATF has already issued a letter stating that a brace may be shoulder able.
On a Mossberg Shockwave with a 16'' barrel, if you put on a brace, now you've created an NFA weapon. The letter from the ATF defining the Shockwave states that the weapon shall not be shoulder able, which the ATF has already issued a letter stating that a brace may be shoulder able.
The Shockwave is not a pistol, its classified as an "other" so any letters allowing braces on pistols are null.
Is there an overall question you have about firearm definitions? Is there something we didn’t properly explain in the previous threads? I encourage you to visit the ATF’s website. They explain each firearm’s definition, provide examples, and give references to the corresponding federal laws and regulations. Just Google “ATF definition [firearm type]”.
If you read the definition of a “pistol”, notice that there’s no overall length limit. That’s why an LCP is a pistol, a 1911 is a pistol, a 7” barrel AR-15 made without a stock is a pistol, and a 27” OAL length AR-15 made without a stock is a pistol. But if you added a vertical foregrip to an LCP it would no longer be a pistol, just as if you added a VFG to a 27” OAL AR-15 it would also no longer be a pistol.I would think a virgin receiver AR Pistol with a OAL of more than 26" would be a "Firearm" without having to add a forward vertical grip.
There is no specific definition under federal law because a generic “firearm” is simply something that is legally a firearm under federal law but doesn’t fit into any of the specific firearm types.I guess a well defined "Firearm" definition is what I'm looking for and don't seem to be satisfied with what is supplied by the ATF.
It simply comes down to the legal definition of a pistol. If you took a TAC-14 and configured it to fire a sub-.50 caliber pistol or rifle cartridge it would be a pistol. And that’s simply because it would fit under the definition of a pistol since a pistol is defined as being intended to fire a bullet, whereas a TAC-14 is designed to fire shotgun shells.It's almost like saying rifled barrels are excluded from a gun configured to TAC-14 dimensions.
It simply comes down to the legal definition of a pistol. If you took a TAC-14 and configured it to fire a sub-.50 caliber pistol or rifle cartridge it would be a pistol. And that’s simply because it would fit under the definition of a pistol since a pistol is defined as being intended to fire a bullet, whereas a TAC-14 is designed to fire shotgun shells.
The federal definition of “pistol” can be found in 18 U.S.C., § 921(A)(29) and 27 CFR § 478.11:Wouldn't it be a rifled barrel or smooth bore barrel that determined if it was a pistol or a firearm? I know it sounds dumb but if a gun was built to be non shoulder fired, longer than 26", and with a barrel less than 16" chambered for let's say 44 magnum with a smooth bore be a "firearm"?