I'm basically looking around. But I have never owned a Pistol Caliber Carbine. I have heard good things about The Kel Tec Sub 2000, Like If you have a Glock you can get a model that will take glock mags,It folds up and is easy to store etc. The only problem is I do not own a Glock. I am trying to find something that is in 9mm,high capacity,And magazines are readily available. It would basically only be used for the range and home defense. as far as price goes I would like to find something $400 or under if possible. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Pistol Caliber Carbines?
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Unless we're talking about an HK MP5 suddenly available for civilians ( which would make this civilian very happy!) or you gave me $3000 to build an extremely custom and full featured M4/AR in say 9mm ('or even 40 cal but does anyone do that really)?
I'm not interested really. Mp5 is awesome but pipe dream , and ARs are so expensive to build when customizing perfectly that I'd rather have a new BCM Recce 16 build than an AR in 9mm really.
I'm not interested really. Mp5 is awesome but pipe dream , and ARs are so expensive to build when customizing perfectly that I'd rather have a new BCM Recce 16 build than an AR in 9mm really.
I saw a Ruger PC9 (Police Carbine) at a gunshow for $375 recently. These guns are now discontinued and that was a low price compared to what you would pay for an internet gun. It takes Ruger P85 mags.
I have one and they are very solid guns - go bang every time you shoot it. The only complaint is they are a little heavy for what they are, but I have no prblem with mine.
I have one and they are very solid guns - go bang every time you shoot it. The only complaint is they are a little heavy for what they are, but I have no prblem with mine.
Rifleman1776
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And the point is????
If you want a rifle get a rifle in rifle caliber.
If you want a pistol get a pistol in pistol caliber.
Both have their roles and both do their best when used as designed and intended.
I have a Ruger Redhawk .44 mag. and once wanted a matching caliber lever rifle for the same caliber. Once I got it I wondered "why?". Pretty pointless. Additional effective range was insignificant and the rifle is harder to carry around than a pistol.
If you want a rifle get a rifle in rifle caliber.
If you want a pistol get a pistol in pistol caliber.
Both have their roles and both do their best when used as designed and intended.
I have a Ruger Redhawk .44 mag. and once wanted a matching caliber lever rifle for the same caliber. Once I got it I wondered "why?". Pretty pointless. Additional effective range was insignificant and the rifle is harder to carry around than a pistol.
and I also looked-
The HK one is crazy expensive , has a terrible stock.
If it had a standard stck I'd consider it, and .45 is not cheap 9mm or my favorite 40 caliber. 45 iwhat I DONT need really.
the Berreta Storm looks EXACTGLY like a Starships Trooper gun... Someone on here said that once and it made me laugh cause they're right.
Terrible gun, even worse movie lol.
really ashame HK just does its own thing.
The HK one is crazy expensive , has a terrible stock.
If it had a standard stck I'd consider it, and .45 is not cheap 9mm or my favorite 40 caliber. 45 iwhat I DONT need really.
the Berreta Storm looks EXACTGLY like a Starships Trooper gun... Someone on here said that once and it made me laugh cause they're right.
Terrible gun, even worse movie lol.
really ashame HK just does its own thing.
Stressfire
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Suggestion:
If unsure, you could always get a HiPoint 995 or one of their other models.
If you like the pistol caliber carbine idea, you can always upgrade or just have the 995 for a beater trunk gun.
If you don't, you've only spent $100-$200, and you can resell or you still have a beater trunk gun that you don't particularly care for
Sighted in a 995 in 9mm for a friend, aside from the cocking handle coming unscrewed and nailing me in the cheek, it wasn't a bad little gun
If unsure, you could always get a HiPoint 995 or one of their other models.
If you like the pistol caliber carbine idea, you can always upgrade or just have the 995 for a beater trunk gun.
If you don't, you've only spent $100-$200, and you can resell or you still have a beater trunk gun that you don't particularly care for
Sighted in a 995 in 9mm for a friend, aside from the cocking handle coming unscrewed and nailing me in the cheek, it wasn't a bad little gun
So go for the S2K then.... it meets your requirements.
I have one paired with a Glock 19 that shares 15 & 33 round Glock mags. It splits the difference between a handgun and rifle in many ways, and I think, a fantastic home defense weapon (esp pared with the Glock).
- I can probably shoot the same sized groups at about twice the distance as the Glock. Fantastic range toy at 50 yrds, and man-sized targets up 100 yrds is reasonable.
- A 9mm from a 16" barrel starts to approach .357 handgun power levels, or go for a .40 cal. version.
- 4 lbs and super short makes for ultra fast handling in tight confines
- Folded, it's very inconspicuous for toting around room-to-room for HD - just stick it in a laptop case and set it on a coffee table. It's ready to shoot in about one second.
- Superb travel gun. It has long gun legality (so no CCW required if crossing state lines) yet you can fit in any laptop bag/briefcase/etc without attracting the obvious attention of long rifle case when moving in/out of your vehicle
- Mine's been 100% reliable in 600 rounds.
My only complaint is that it is a bit of a dirty shooter with the blowback action.
I have one paired with a Glock 19 that shares 15 & 33 round Glock mags. It splits the difference between a handgun and rifle in many ways, and I think, a fantastic home defense weapon (esp pared with the Glock).
- I can probably shoot the same sized groups at about twice the distance as the Glock. Fantastic range toy at 50 yrds, and man-sized targets up 100 yrds is reasonable.
- A 9mm from a 16" barrel starts to approach .357 handgun power levels, or go for a .40 cal. version.
- 4 lbs and super short makes for ultra fast handling in tight confines
- Folded, it's very inconspicuous for toting around room-to-room for HD - just stick it in a laptop case and set it on a coffee table. It's ready to shoot in about one second.
- Superb travel gun. It has long gun legality (so no CCW required if crossing state lines) yet you can fit in any laptop bag/briefcase/etc without attracting the obvious attention of long rifle case when moving in/out of your vehicle
- Mine's been 100% reliable in 600 rounds.
My only complaint is that it is a bit of a dirty shooter with the blowback action.
Willie Lowman
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Have you looked at a Uzi? 25 and 32 round mags can be had for just over $10.
Atlantic has Vectors for something like $725
Atlantic has Vectors for something like $725
Pistol caliber Carbines
I have several pistol caliber carbines and have used them to take a number of West Virginia deer. They are .44 Mag and 357 Mag caliber lever action carbines. If you want a semi-auto carbine in a pistol caliber, there is the HI-Point carbine, and H&K makes one, Beretta has the CX4 Storm in 9 mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP. Taurus is comming out with a semi-auto carbine in 9mm and .45 ACP in the near future. Also OLYMPIC ARMS has an AR using a standard lower receiver and special magazine (so no magazine adaptor in the mag-well) in calibers 9mm, .40 S&W, 10 mm, and .45ACP. The magazines hold 18 rounds in 10 mm and .45 ACP, and 28 rounds in 9 mm and .40 S&W. Hope this will give you an IDEA or two about getting a pistol caliber carbine.
V/R
J. Budd
I have several pistol caliber carbines and have used them to take a number of West Virginia deer. They are .44 Mag and 357 Mag caliber lever action carbines. If you want a semi-auto carbine in a pistol caliber, there is the HI-Point carbine, and H&K makes one, Beretta has the CX4 Storm in 9 mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP. Taurus is comming out with a semi-auto carbine in 9mm and .45 ACP in the near future. Also OLYMPIC ARMS has an AR using a standard lower receiver and special magazine (so no magazine adaptor in the mag-well) in calibers 9mm, .40 S&W, 10 mm, and .45ACP. The magazines hold 18 rounds in 10 mm and .45 ACP, and 28 rounds in 9 mm and .40 S&W. Hope this will give you an IDEA or two about getting a pistol caliber carbine.
V/R
J. Budd
Stonefly_Soldier
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I second the Hi-Point... great little guns for cheap... significantly better quality than their pistols. you can get it in 9mm, .40, and .45. You should be able to score any of the calibers for less than $200.
Bamashooter
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I have a Hi-Point carbine in 9mm topped with a BSA red dot scope. I have three 10rd. magazines that came with it. They arent hi-cap but they all work just fine. The little carbine is tons of fun to shoot and pretty darn accurate considering the optics and price. At 75yrds. I can hit whatever Im shooting at with no problem, probably further I just havent shot beyond 75yrds. with it. For the money its a solid carbine.
Here's a specific instance of the need for a pistol caliber carbine: my daughter has RA and doesn't have the hand strength to handle a centerfire handgun. SIL prefers a 40 S&W handgun so I set daughter up with a PC4 which uses the same mags/ammo as his pistol. They don't need to have separate mags to keep organized or the chance of wrong ammo in an emergency. One advantage is that now they have 100 yard capability which is practically 4x that of the pistol w/o having a rifle caliber carbine to store and feed.
spacecoast
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I'm sure it was an oversight not using the provided wrench to tighten the handle
It's a great little carbine for the money, an inexpensive red dot is a perfect match for it.
Gotcher plusses, gotcher minuses. I have a Hi-Point 995 and I like it a lot. BUT forget about hicap mags. It's a great platform for optics. I chose it over the Kel Tec for a couple of reasons: I hated the Sub 2000 sights. Ergonomics only so-so. Forget about optics if you want to be able to fold it up. BUT you get a wide selection of hicap possibilities. So go figure.
I have taken deer with my 357 magnum Carbine (Marlin lever action). I know that you are looking of an automatic. The only semi-automatics pistol caliber carbines I have ever shot are Hi-points. Some people liked it but for be it seemed to jam a lot. May be I just shot a bad one...
From a purely practical standpoint, depending on what other firearms you own you can have magazine / ammunition commonality. (Ruger/Ruger, KelTec/Glock/Beretta/SIG/S&W, Marlin & any .357 revolver, etc..)
They tend to have very mild recoil. My wife doesn't like shooting most of my centerfire rifles, but my Marlin .357 doesn't bother her at all. But then neither does my AR-15.
For a fun gun, the Kel Tec & Hi Point 9mm carbines are inexpensive and fun to shoot. I own one of the newer 995's and it's just fun. I used to have a Kel Tec SUB 2000 but ended up selling it, but that was just personal taste.
On the other hand, for the cost of one of the nicer/cooler carbines (Beretta, Uzi, etc...) you can buy a really nice 5.56 carbine that packs considerably more oomph, doesn't recoil any more, isn't any larger, isn't any heavier, has less expensive 20 & 30rd magazines and tons of after market accessories.
I have to admit, if I ran across a really good deal on something like a Ruger PC9, I'd probably buy it, but I'm not going to go looking for it. We can trade pros and cons all day long, but it really comes down to what you want.
They tend to have very mild recoil. My wife doesn't like shooting most of my centerfire rifles, but my Marlin .357 doesn't bother her at all. But then neither does my AR-15.
For a fun gun, the Kel Tec & Hi Point 9mm carbines are inexpensive and fun to shoot. I own one of the newer 995's and it's just fun. I used to have a Kel Tec SUB 2000 but ended up selling it, but that was just personal taste.
On the other hand, for the cost of one of the nicer/cooler carbines (Beretta, Uzi, etc...) you can buy a really nice 5.56 carbine that packs considerably more oomph, doesn't recoil any more, isn't any larger, isn't any heavier, has less expensive 20 & 30rd magazines and tons of after market accessories.
I have to admit, if I ran across a really good deal on something like a Ruger PC9, I'd probably buy it, but I'm not going to go looking for it. We can trade pros and cons all day long, but it really comes down to what you want.