Pictures (and story) of a recovered .40S&W Golden Saber

MEATSAW

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I have had these pictures on my computer for a year now and clearly had forgot to post them here. So here's the backstory: last summer I was invited to an oryx hunt in south Texas. I was not a shooter but was along for the ride/spotter. Well the guy I was with shot one through the spine/upper shoulder. It instantly put the animal down but did not kill it. Not wanting to shoot it again at close range with his 300 Win Mag and not wanting to ruin the cape with a knife it was decided to use my H&K P2000 in .40S&W. I had it loaded with 180gr Remington Golden Saber JHPs.

The oryx was shot once through the chest at a range of about 2 feet. The animal expired. Later when we were cleaning the animal we recovered what you see in the pictures. There was definitely core-jacket separation. The core traveled about 3 inches further than the jacket which was recovered on the far side of the chest cavity. The core was against the hide on the far side of the chest. If you aren't familiar with oryx it is a large animal that is fairly tough. The amount of penetration was impressive even with the core-jacket being separated and that the bullet had to go through the bulkiest part of the shoulder (tough bones in there). The bullet and jacket obviously expanded very well. Unfortunately I don't remember the measurement of expansion and I didn't include a scale in the pictures.

Take from this what you will. Some might see this as a catastrophic failure, some won't. For me I was impressed with the penetration and good expansion. Golden Sabers are known to have core-jacket failures, and this is no exception but I feel the failure did not have a negative impact on the outcome. Obviously in a perfect world it would have stayed together.

*Edited to add: I no longer carry Golden Sabers in this pistol. Still looking for the optimum replacement.

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What was the penetration of the 2 peices? Just because there was separation wasn't in and of itself a bad thing unless the jacket only penetrated 8" or something...
 
Ive had the same thing happen when shooting them into water jugs years ago. I think they may have chaged the design not to long ago to prevent separation.
 
Good post, great pictures Meatsaw...and what's not to like about the core separation...for the last cpl inches, after goodly penetration, I might add...you had the added benefit of two (2) wound channels!

Ten years ago, I finished big cow elk, out Colorado way. She was down from a chest hit from my .35 Whelen, but was still kicking when I got up to her. I killed her with a single shot from a S&W .44 Magnum, behind the ears through the neck. Complete penetration of the 240 gr SP, Remington if I remember correctly, but I didn't take any pics...exit hole was over an inch in diameter.

I carried that old Smith for years specifically for packing out meat at dusk when slinging the rifle was just too much. Nothing like packing out a cpl hundred pounds of fresh meat as the darkness gathers...guaranteed to give you the willies...that and returning to the kill for the 2nd load.

Good work, Rodfac
 
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I have become a huge fan of the Corbon DPX

After doing some backyard shooting into wet newspaper filled milkjugs
(with 4 layers of denim)

It penetrated and expanded more than any other that I tested

The ranger HST's were close as well
 
I had a similar experience with hand loaded .44 Magnum, Hornady 200gr. HTP bullet on a hog. The hog was shot facing the shooter (my buddy); the bullet entered the face (jaw), exited, entered the neck and traveled the length of the body along the backbone (through the backstrap) and ended up with the core separated from the jacket in the hip. The hog did go down, but got back up and had to be chased, and finished.
I do not blame the bullet for poor performance. It was a bad shot choice, executed poorly. I continue to use XTP bullets, but prefer the 240 gr. and take better shots.
 
Great post Meatsaw!

Very neat stuff there and I'm just gonna say that while some people don't like the core/jacket seperation I don't think it is a very big deal especialy after passing through bone.

This just re-enforces my opinion that the Golden Saber is a quality HP round.

(Speer Gold Dots, Winchester Rangers, Corbon DPX's are also very good rounds as well)

I prefer to use 180 grain ammo for my CZ-75b but in smaller pistols I might drop down to 165/155 to keep the velocity up.
 
This issue is why I'm looking for a (non-FMJ) round to replace my 102-grain .380 Golden Saber in my LCP. In a .40, separation is likely not an issue, as penetration will probably be fine. In the .380, that separation could cost critical penetration inches.

I am thinking Speer Gold Dot .380s or Hydra-Shok .380s.
 
What was the penetration of the 2 pieces?

I did not have measuring tape with me for an examination while we were cleaning the animal. But a scimitar oryx is quite wide at the shoulders/chest. I would estimate over 20" for the core and 17-18" for the jacket. A lot of this was through lung and heart tissue. But also the core went through both shoulders, the jacket was lodged in the far shoulder.

I am actually going down to the same ranch again this year (in a few weeks actually) to hunt oryx again. This time I will be a shooter. I'll try and make an effort to record and photograph any and all bullets recovered. I think this time I will bring my 1911 along in case of a downed animal. It would be interesting to compare results -- its loaded with Golden Saber Bonded 230 gr.

Thanks for all the positive comments.
 
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