Pics of my KaBoomed Glock 32.......

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ROSANGHAL

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I had a post earlier on my incident of a KB with a Glock 32. I posted a link of pics showing the blown case and setbacked bullets.

Well my friend and I finally took some pics of the pistol. At first glance shortly after the incident I didn't see anything wrong with the pistol.

After we got it under the bright lights and inspected it closely we saw the damage it sustained from the blown cartridge.

You can see for yourselves here:

My friend and I finally took some pics of the pistol. At first glance shortly after the incident I didn't see anything wrong with the pistol.
After we got it under the bright lights and inspected it closely we saw the damage it sustained from the blown cartridge.

You can see for yourselves here:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=791681&a=6305755

Also after we had the pistol apart and then putting it back together we could feel the slide and frame not lining up smoothly. The rails are definetly not where they are supposed to be.

Comments?

Ross T.

Also after we had the pistol apart and then putting it back together we could feel the slide and frame not lining up smoothly. The rails are definetly not where they are supposed to be.

Comments?

Ross T.



[This message has been edited by ROSANGHAL (edited May 17, 2000).]
 
Rob43 and chaho

No they weren't reloads they were the Remington UMC 125 grainers.

It is the pistol in my prior post with the pics of the set back bullets and blown case here:
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If you have any other questions feel free to ask.

Ross T.
 
If a Glock can do this with factory ammunition it raises some serious questions about the safety of the basic Glock design.
 
Or, it raises some serious questioms about UMC ammo or at least that particular lot # of that ammo that failed in this particular weapon.

Have you notified Remington about this and if so had any replies from them? I would be more concerned about the ammo rather than the gun in this case.
 
I hate to say it, but if the ammo is only exploding in glocks, its not the ammo.


Tim

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Why dont you get rid of that nickel plated sissy pistol and get yourself a glock. :::Tommy Lee Jones. U.S. Marshals:::
 
Has this ever happened with any of the 9MM Glocks?? I just got a G26, and I need to know that it is safe to shoot. This is now my main carry gun!!!

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UMC is bad ammo, from my experience and others'. One of the last times I was shooting, I fired 3 different 1911's that would function with everything fed- including wide 185-grain HP- but would not work more than a round or two before malfunctioning with UMC.
 
Rosanghal,
& Guys

Glocks are perfectly safe to own and shoot. I have a few of them and love them. I have also KBed my G22 with a weak reloaded case. It did hurt, I was not hurt and I still shoot Glocks. My 2 favorite carry Glocks are the G27 & G30. The problem that Rosanghal had sounded like the bullet being pushed back in a little. See this on recguns: http://www.recguns.com/IVG15.html
Another thing I do not do anymore is to chamber/unchamber. This guy posted a post on GT which said "All guns always loaded all the time" I therefore bought some cheap nylon holsters for my Glocks and keep them in there and loaded. Just pop them in and out as needed. I am willing to put up with a very small amount of risk to shoot. Shooting a gun anywhere anytime is a very serious and dangerous business.

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I had a 1911 kb on me. The case ruptured at rim, and caused the next round to cook off. The next two rounds and there bullets shoved back into the case about an 1/8 of an inch. The right grip ruptured right down the middle at the screws. The magazine blew out the bottom and a slight bulge of the slide at the ejection port. It felt like hitting a baseball off the end of the bat, you know that stinging sensation. My hand was sore for about a week with some deep bruising and my elbow was a little sore. Other then that, no problem.
 
Hi, Ledbetter,

I think AK9 answered your question. In most cases, a blow up ("kaboom" or "KB") is the result of very high pressure that blows out the back of the cartridge case and releases high pressure gas into the action of the firearm. Some firearms handle this situation better than others, some (like the Remington 700) are designed to prevent it as much as possible.

A common result is a bulged frame/receiver and a blown out magazine. In the case of the Glock pictured, the polymer frame expanded outward, bending the steel guide rails, and then contracted back, leaving the rails bent away from the normal position.

There are many possible causes. A common one is firing out of battery, meaning that the slide and barrel are not properly locked together when the gun is fired. Other causes are premature unlocking under high pressure, or brass unsupported by steel simply bursting like a balloon under higher than normal pressure.

Jim
 
"All guns loaded all the time?" If this is the case then I know there is a good Browning Safe in the equation as well. If not, hello Murphy's law.

"No more chamber/re-chamber?" The gun I can't chamber and re-chamber at will is the weapon that gets traded in on something else or I will rotate the ammo on a periodic basis.

Soft-sided holster for loaded Glock with safe-action trigger? No dice. I bought a G22 back when they first came out. All of the gun rags at that time urged Glock owners to use the standard Glock Plastic Holster or a good leather holster to prevent anything from causing that trigger to be activated while holster. Maybe that's overkill but I just picked up two of my nylons and I am staying with something besides nylon for a Glock.

I am not without fault and I am not out to flame but I felt the need to address these points. As much as I like pistols, I have a level of repsect that borders on fear for them.

Safe shooting----

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This story was already addressed. The bullet was set back into the case by chambering badly. It is an AMMO problem that the bullet was not crimped tight enough and it set back, raising chamber pressure.
Any gun would "blow up" like that if the bullet was set back, raising pressures to the extreme.

UMC ammo is garbage. I have had a lot of problems with the UMC .357 Sig ammo. I ended up having to throw away a lot of the the ammo due to bullet setback.

High quality defensive ammo that I use like Corbon and Speer do not have this problem. Some of these ammos are now actually glued into the case. They show NO problem.
As long as you don't chamber the ammo more than once, even the crappiest of ammo will not give you a problem. the problem only arises in high pressure rounds when they are chambered repeatedly or they nosedive when chambering. I have a whole box of Triton 9mm that is all sunk in from a few chamberings. ALL ammo can do this if it is not crimped well, and many rounds are high pressure and could cause a kB in any gun if set back far enough.
 
Plastic Sig

I tested another box out of the case I bought. I took the first bullet out of the box and then put the bullet one the table bullet side down and took my thumb and put a little pressure on the bullet. Not a lot.

The bullet went right into the case. I thought to myself that I maybe used a little to much pressure so I took a second bullet out and proceeded to do the same test. Started with slight pressure, nothing. Used more pressure, nothing. Used even more pressure, nothing! On the second one I know I was using a lot more than twice the pressure I used on the first. It didn't budge.

I took a third bullet and had the same results as the second bullet. Granted this isn't a very scientific study I know a bullet should not cave into the case with the small amount of pressure I put on it. I know there is more pressure coming in from behind the bullet when the slide comes into battery and forces it up the feed ramp into the chamber. If the blown case was like the first test bullet, It's the bullets doing.

The bad thing about it is it's not a consistent thing as was seen with the ammo I tested. You test 1 and its good it doesn't mean everyone in the box is. 1 bad the others maybe good.

I'm willing to say without a doubt the bullet was setback and the pressure spiked and the case blew.

It would have happened in any gun. Not just a Glock.

Ross T.
 
Hmmmm... One of our officer's owns a Glock .357 Sig (duty weapon), in which he had a problem with the ammo. I believe it was Federal Hydra Shok 125 grain JHP. In approximately 40 rounds, 10 rounds had their bullets so loosely seated that they could be pushed into the case with finger pressure. It appeared that each time he'd load his weapon the bullet would make contact with the feed ramp and push the bullet into the case a little at a time. After unloading and loading a number of times he had noticed that the OAL of the round was substantially shorter than a "fresh" round. Luckily we had caught this before he ever had the chance to fire any of these rounds. Definitely a recipe for DISASTER! I belive his chances for a KB were very good.

I'm really starting to wonder if the manufacturing process of these rounds aren't quite up to par.

How many other .357 Sig owners has this happened to?

Anyway, when I contacted Federal they couldn't (or wouldn't) tell me where the problem was. Ultimately, they replaced the whole case with no problem.

Since then, we've been "finger checking" each round before it's issued, and haven't run into any bad rounds yet.

For all you .357 Sig owners, it might be a very good idea to check (finger pressure) each round you load, to insure the bullet is seated snugly. If not, DON"T USE IT! Contact the manufacturer and advise them of the problem. More than likely the will replace the ammo.


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