Photo ID to purchase a handgun

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ArmySon

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by Al Bore
A photo license ID, like a driver's license, for new handguns[/quote]

Excuse me if I am wrong, don't we already have to show a driver's license when purchasing a new gun???? Atleast here in PA you must, so what's the point of a photo ID? It sounds like more tax payer's money the government wants to piss away.

Hell, they might as well tattoo gun owner across our foreheads.
 
Son, this is why I'm accellerating the purchase of ALL the handguns I want, in irder to get them all in the next 6 months. Just because Bush may be prez doesn't mean the anti's in CONgress are going to stop.

So, get 'em now. I predict that the "private-sale loophole" will be the next to go, and within 12 months. After that, all purchasers of handguns will need a FOID card.

Not fer me, thanks....

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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H.L. Mencken
 
Hey wait a minute, although we have a driver's license we sure don't have to go through any kind of "mental fitness test" to drive a car, which is essentially a 2 ton assualt weapon. :rolleyes:

Photo ID, another usless, stupid infringement.

CMOS :mad:

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There is a good point to be made with antis concerning photo ID licensing. This works very well with antis or fence-sitters who are uneasy with guns.

Simply point out that 31 states have "shall-issue" concealed carry. Ask them what they think will happen if all handgun owners are forced to get a license. If you are REQUIRED to go do all the bureaucratic paperwork and take the "safety" classes, are you going to take the license that just lets you keep a handgun at home? Or are you going to apply for a shall-issue permit and start carrying?

Give them a big thanks for promoting CCW across the U.S. and most of them will start to seriously reconsider the idea of licensing (at least until they can get rid of your carry right).
 
No - most who buy handguns don't have carry licences, and most who get INTO handguns can do so without impediment from government.

Carry licences are a pain to get (i.e. a bunch of work, a course, etc).

The main point of licencing is to discourage the purchase of the first item by making it harder.

Look at NFA weapons - they're hard to get, even though eventually this will look like a picnic compared to future laws. However, they shift people away from that type of weapon - I'm sure we'd all buy SOME NFA weapons if we could easily, as toys if nothing else.

If you can cut the number of people new to handguns, you can cut the number of handgun owners eventually, for more prohibitions.

Look at states with handgun licencing - a LOT fewer handguns in private hands.

An English guy said it best at an NRA meeting - the licencing requirements reduced participation in shooting sports to the point where the number of voting gunowners was more "manageable".


Battler.
 
Battler: I agree with your assessment regarding the goals of licensing; but there are a lot of people out there who own handguns already.

If you had to apply for a license (forced to go through the process), would you:

A) Get rid of the handgun
B) Not license it at all
C) Get the "limited" license
D) Get a "carry" license

The idea is to point out to antis the futility of licensing. It works even better that most of them think of us in terms of stereotypes. In their minds, there is no question that we will all rush to get concealed carry licenses since we are borderline, Walter-Mitty psychos anyway to them.
 
Just curious, When does a RIGHT get licensed? Under what authority? Who will be declined that license? Will it be like all the other state-issued licenses that can be revoked or denied based on your currency with your child support payments?

Mr. Bush really screwed the pooch. He should have hammered Gore on this. I would have simply stated: "Mr. Gore, what other inalienable rights are you planning on licensing? Churches, presses, freedom of security from unreasonable searches?

This is why I was fuming at the end of the debate. I was just so very irate.
 
kjm, you're right. I think Bush could have nailed him all all those issues, but I think Bush was right not to press it any farther in the debate last night. Unfortunately, most sheeple can't recite the preamble to the Constitution, much less the Bill of Rights. They simply don't understand the intent of the founders and the rights they sought to protect from big government thugs. Pushing the issue further would have gotten a pat on the back from gunowners, but would have gotten Bush labeled a "gun nut" or "NRA poster-boy" by Gore and the press. He needs the soccer moms and brain-dead undecided voters to see him as a moderate on this issue or they will be turned-off by pro-gun rhetoric. I thought he handled the debate thoughtfully and tactfully, and pointed out Gore's plan for licensure and registration. It's been 8 years since we've had a progun candidate in office, and we've got a lot of work to do should Bush get elected. We've got to re-educate people. Let the high capacity mag ban "sunset" out of existence. We've slid a long way in the last 8 years. We can reverse the process but it will take time. Do I think Bush will help us on these issues. Yup. Got the CHL right here in my wallet to prove it.
 
I hate to break it to you, but several of our "rights" are already governed by licensing or other limitations.

To exercise your "right" of free speech over TV or radio, I believe you need a broadcast license from the FCC.

You can call any gathering a "church", but for tax-exempt status or validation of marrying powers by the minister, I believe you also need some kind of gov't approval.

What is not "unreasonable" about a no-knock raid, or reading your e-mail ?

Want to protest or talk people out of having abortions ? No problem, just don't do it within 1 mile of a clinic.

Do you see where I'm going with this ?

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Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God.
1 Peter 2:16.
 
We here in PRNYS already have a "Photo id" to buy a pistol. It's called a pistol permit and you NEED one in order to even hold a pistol in this state. We have to apply for a full background check, complete with references that a local detective calls and then in 6 months to a year, some judge on his/her high throne will approve or reject your permit. Most likely it will be "restricted" to home or hunting/target shooting, etc. Then ALL of your handguns are listed (make, caliber, serial number) on the back of your permit along with your thumb print!

I am now making the public statement that I refuse to acknowledge that any government has any power over my natural right to defend myself. I live for myself, not for the state. The state has no right to deprive me of my right to defend myself anytime, anywhere, anyhow.

Let them come for me and my firearms. This system in NYS is most likely what Algore wants for everyone. Be warned my friends, Algore WILL do anything he can to impose this type of licensing on each and every state in the union.

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The first step is registration, the second step is confiscation, the final step is subjugation.
 
What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand? We have to make a stand, and when GWB is elected he apparently will support more infringements. I suggest that we start bombarding his campaign headquarters with our demand that he commit to removing infringements to the Second Amendments.

The address is: Bush for President, Post Office Box 1902, Austin, Texas 78767-1902, or call (512) 637-2000.

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You have to be there when it's all over. Otherwise you can't say "I told you so."

Better days to be,

Ed

[This message has been edited by Ed Brunner (edited October 12, 2000).]
 
I have a better one for you ED
GOA-PVF elect congressmen who wont let such bills get to his desk to sign and whu will
repeals or overwrite of gunlaws on the books to his desk to atleast veto and show where he stands or to attach to BS the liberals try to pass. www.gunowners.org

NOt congressmen like mine ED Bryant(R-TN) who voted for the last anti-gun house bill,
soon their after receiving an A rating from the NRA.

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I am umm..err..licensed. Here in CA, you have to get a BFSC card before you can purchase a handgun. It cost about $50 to get and encompassed an hour of range time and an hour of class. It was actually pretty helpful, but it's not a photo ID. Would this mean that Al Buttmunch would require me to have another ID on top of the two that I already have ? If what he is proposing is the BFSC card, it actually is not a bad idea. You only have to get it once, and the information covered is really helpful for someone new to guns. Albeit, if you already own firearms, the class would be negligible and unnecesary. Could someone please explain or direct me to exactly what he is proposing ?
 
Al Bore doesnt believe that the second ammendment is an individual Right. So in his opinion a FotoID is not infringing anything.
He wants a New York style America, where as it should be a Vermont style America.

We have already compromised a lot by having to get concealed carry permits, which IS a form of registration.

The whole point is, they want to make it exceedingly difficult to get a gun, and eventually there will be less people inclined to jump through all the hoops.

anand
 
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