Petition for John Ashcroft

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All,

Please go to the included link and sign the
petition for John Ashcroft. Don't let the liberals
derail him.


Dear ...

Normally I wouldn't come to you with something like this ...
.. but the nomination of John Ashcroft as U.S. Attorney General is critical to the new Bush administration --

-- and I need your help!

I urge you to FORWARD this email to your entire address book and SIGN ONE PETITION that can make a difference!
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There can be no question that John Ashcroft is highly qualified to be America's top law enforcement officer -- he is the former Missouri state Attorney General, governor and U.S. Senator, and was a lawyer and law professor.

He is a man of impeccable integrity and strong moral character.

But the nomination has sent ripples of horror through the ACLU, People For the American Way, American's United for the Separation of Church and State, Planned Parenthood, and National Organization for Woman (NOW) -- because they know that the Attorney General determines the government's legal position on religious freedom ... abortion ... pornography.

And they know all too well that John Ashcroft, as Attorney General, would impartially pursue justice, and uphold the Constitution and the rule of law in ALL matters -- including Christian liberties.

So in their panic and desperation, these organizations are fighting "no holds barred" to maintain the "freedoms" they enjoyed under Janet Reno -- and now they are trying to SMEAR John Ashcroft's good name and reputation.

It's absurd -- and absolutely shameful!

Yet the outcome of this nomination process could drastically influence the course of the next four years.

I need you to stand with me today!

The American Center is launching a nationwide PETITION DRIVE to call upon our Senators to do the right thing -- and confirm the nomination of John Ashcroft as U.S. Attorney General.

(Please click the following link to send a gift to support the American Center's efforts.)
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More than 195,000 people signed our Uphold the Constitution petition concerning the presidential election in November -- your voice needs to be heard again about this critical nomination!

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Don't let them DERAIL John Ashcroft's nomination!

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Ashcroft is a wimp and deserves to get trashed cause he does not stand up for himself.

I will not stand up for a "man" ( I wonder about this) who will let himself go down to a dead opponent (i.e. No opponent). Proping this homonid up will only increase the chances he will wimp out on us when we need him most....let him be eaten alive by the Democrats for showing his (false) sensitivity!

HE EARNED IT!!!!
 
Izzy,

I have the same thoughts concerning Ashcroft wimping out to a dead opponent, that blew my mind. But...since the liberals hate him so much, you know he's the man we want!

Also, he has a pretty good record supporting conservative ideals and he's a LOT better than Reno and if the liberals have their way, we may end up with someone like Norman Mineta in that position.

Sign the petition if for no other reason than if he does get the job, it will irritate the heck out of the liberals.
 
I vote for the dead guy in Misura'

Hate to be a hard nut about it but this man has no honor...remeber they hated gingrich but he was a BIG let down.. another scumbag...I have no pity for any of em' SLASH AND BURN!!! I will save my recources for when I can actualy put up a fight ( SEE THE IRS POST!!!! Now there we can make a diffrance..and I am fixen to write em' now).

Heck bush can do better, we can do better. Now I don't mean to offend anybody but as Patrick Henry said "I smell a rat!"
 
I have mixed feelings about him. He seems to be beholden to the religious wing of the party. The answer to that charge might be that he's only beholden to his personal beliefs. I can't fault a man for that. But many of his personal beliefs don't jibe with the beliefs of many RKBA activists.

It seems that on one hand (free market economy/guns) he wants as little government as possible, but on the other hand (driving social change, or possibly, slowing social change) he wants a government heavy hand.

I suppose I will have to reluctantly support him, because of his strong pro-RKBA stance.

Information from liberal sources about him:
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0102/fridgeway.shtml
http://www.pfaw.org/news/ashcroft_abortion.shtml
 
DeanF - Your post is the epitome of why I believe The Firing Line really is the Finest Firearms Information Site on the Web.

I re-read it a number of times.

You are willing to support this man because of his strong pro-RKBA stance in spite of mixed feelings about his other (religious) beliefs. Kudos to you, sir!

The members and lurkers of this site have a wide range of personal and political views. We unite for a common goal, overlooking cosmetic differences, to fight for our Natural-born (or God-given if you will) Rights.

"That which unites us is infinitely more important than that which divides us."
 
yes and yes

I'm proud to say I support Mr. Ashcoft BECAUSE of his faith, in addition to his pro-RKBA stance.
 
Reality intrudes. The massive opposition to Ashcroft comes from race and abortion. Not the RKBA.

He may be given a raw deal on race but not on abortion. He doesn't even support it for rape and incest (pardon me if I am wrong).

While Bush should stick it out with him to avoid looking
wimpy - I tell you again that the abortion issue is the bane of the GOP and RKBA.

Antiabortion forces would sacrifice the RKBA in a flash to
to sink a proabortion GOP guy even if he supported the RKBA.

I heard Falwell say that the religious right would have voted against Bush if he wasn't strongly antiabortion.

I find the RKBA supremely more important than Ashcroft's faith or the antiabortion agenda. In fact, I disagree with the latter and am sick of politicians throwing their faith in my face. As it really makes them a better person - right.

I thihk the RKBA being used as a tool to tar Ashcroft as a nut. But it wouldn't have strength without the first two isses of race and choice.

If you support the RKBA, you'd better realize that abortion is a curse of the GOP. Either it drops it and let's it be a matter of personal decision or forget half the country.

If the religious right is so concerned with abortion that they will abandon all other GOP issues, screw 'em. Let them vote for third party flakes. There are strong GOP planks that will get conservatives and middle voters without the abortion issue. But the abortion issue will just turn off so many that the GOP is going to lose or win just be the skin of their teeth, like this time.

Clinton and Nader were Gore's biggest negatives, not strong support for Bush.

So you have to decide:

Are you willing to let abortion be a personal decision such that the RKBA will be strengthened?

or

Is abortion so important that you will lose elections over it, rejoice in your righteous defeat and screw the RKBA simultaneously?

So if Ashcroft fails because of the abortion issue, then it is just pure stupidity of the GOP.
 
Hmmmmm lets think about it?

Is abortion so important that you will lose elections over it, rejoice in your righteous defeat and screw the RKBA simultaneously?
Click to expand...

what if someone thought that through the other way

Is RKBA so important that you will lose electsion over it, rejoice in your righteous defeat and screw the unborn babies simultaneously?
Click to expand...

or perhaps EG might think about it this way:

Is pro-abortion so important to you that you will refuse to support Bush's appointee and take the chance the next one won't be so RKBA?
Click to expand...

Frankly, neither version makes sense. If you believe in RKBA, that's how you vote. If you are Pro Life (or whatever else), that's how you vote. Since, this is an RKBA sorta place, I don't see the need to attack folks on non-RKBA issues nor to assume that pro-RKBA folks are wrong or bad if they happen to be be pro-Life also, esp. as the possible appointee does fall into party lines, which is sorta what we expect, isn't it? Chall we keep it to the RKBA issues and let the pro-life v. pro-abortion fight take place elsewhere?

I suggest that anytime Bush names Pro-RKBA appointees, we TFLers all get behind him (or her) and leave our other baggage at the TFL door.

or, to quote a phrase

Let's dance with the one what brung us.

:)
 
GOP needs the pro-lifers.

Bush would not be the next pres. if he had dumped us. I think the 2nd Amendment is very important, but not as important as the abortion issue. We pro-lifers are a group that can't be slighted. Too many of us vote.
 
B.S. Enoch. If the unborn have no rights than neither do we. There is no other issue that gets my blood boiling like the abortion issue. The unborn are completly and totally dependant on us, they have no way of defending/supporting themselves and so we are totally responsible for their well being and to say that killing them should be left up to 'personal discretion' is just as insane as saying that You don't have the right to defend yourself and your rights. Should killing cops be left up to personal discretion? Yeah that damn pig shouldn't have given me a ticket and disrespescted me and so he deserved to die. Damn insanity.It's a matter of rights and if the unborn don't have them than neither do we simple as that.If one issue is more important than the other than it would have to be abortion. I think they are damn near equal. Enoch I personally think that RKBA is the bane of the Republican party and would be willing to sacrifice your rights so my guy gets elected. Hows that for you. Since abortion can't affect you as your not an unborn you don't seem to give a damn about their rights, should we treat you the same as you would treat the unborn and leave your rights to life up to the discretion of someone else?Ya sticking up for those that can't defend themselves is insane isn't Enoch. I mean who the hell cares about someone elses rights so long as they don't touch mine. Enoch you keep on feeding that proverbially crocodile until it eats you and then maybe I'll rejoice in your "rightous defeat". :mad: :barf: :mad: :mad:
 
Don't care about anyone whose blood is boiling. You want practical RKBA political, you got it.

If you can't separate the issues, that's your choice but
it is a terrible weakness of the let's support the GOP as the savior of the RKBA strategy.

Since I am prochoice, antiabortion arguments are meaningless to me here. I point out the pragmatics of how the RKBA will be supported.



[Edited by EnochGale on 01-11-2001 at 06:47 PM]
 
The Ashcroft squabble has absolutely nothing to do with race. Nothing. The Dem's are playing the race card just as they did in Al and Hillary's campaigns. They're out to get Ashcroft because he's about as conservative as they come in the Senate. They're out to get Ashcroft for the same reason a dog licks its privates. They think they can shoot down every Bush appointee. They got Chavez and they're smelling blood. If they get Ashcroft, the Bush administration will be a rubber stamp for whatever Clinton tells the DNC to tell its lockstep legislators to demand. And, if they get what they want, we lose for four more years.

Dick
 
Can't seperate the two, it's a contradiction to support RKBA and be pro choice/pro abortion. Does anybody ever wonder why those that are pro choice almost always are anti RKBA as well? There isn't that many people that are pro life and anti RKBA or the other way around .Yeah I know there are some exceptions but that's generally the way it is. Would you feel the same way Enoch about this if your life right this minute was left up to the discretion of another person?I'm going to defend everybodies rights wether their incapable of doing it themselves (the unborn)or not.I don't think that we should be in the business of trading someone elses rights so were left alone which of course we won't be, but some people seem to think that way. Like I said about the crocodile, eventually your going to run out of others rights to sacrifice and eventually your next on the dinner list.Remember Enoch Bush and the Republicans won this election we control the house the senate and the executive, the only way ashcroft doesn't get in there is if WE don't back him up. Bush won and he is both Pro RKBA and Pro life so I don't think your argument washes about Republicans losing just because of the abortion issue, because most people who are pro choice/pro abortion are almost always anti RKBA,(You being one of the few examples that aren't).
 
Politics 101

Amelia, you have a very good point...

"Is RKBA so important that you will lose elections over it?"

Which, of course, was a response to Enoch's rhetorical question,

"Is abortion so important that you will lose elections over it?"

If I recall correctly, Bork's confirmation to the United States Supreme Court was stopped by a very narrow margin (one vote?). Of course Bork would have been a conservative justice (interpreting the constitution according to what the framers intended -- how horrible!) which would have only helped pro-lifers.

I believe it was on Rush L's show quite some time ago that I heard him make a very interesting point -- about how bad political strategy on the part of pro-lifers in some NE State basically cost them (and conservatives of all kinds) the Bork nomination. It made a big impact on my up-till then, very ideological thinking with regard to the political process.

Rush pointed out that pro-lifers in that State opposed a Republican Senator because he wasn't pro-life, but he was conservative in every other way. He would almost for sure have voted for Bork's confirmation to the Supreme Court. But the Dem. won and Bork lost.

They didn't realize what they were doing, but the pro-lifers of that State allowed a greater evil to occur by opposing anyone who didn't 100% agree with their position on abortion. They lost a Supreme Court justice and a vote in the Senate of the United States of America.

So stategically, we have to sometimes bite the bullet and vote for someone who may not believe in one of our most cherished beliefs (right-to-life, RKBA, etc.) yet may be very conservative in almost every other way. We sometimes have to concede some ground in one battle in order to win the war.

I think of it this way: if the alternative is 1000 times worse, vote for the whoever will commit the least amount of evil -- whether that's with respect to RKBA or right-to-life or whatever. It just makes sense.

BTW: I'm 100% pro-life.

Here's a link to a great article that says all this better than I can. I highly recommend it:

http://www.str.org/free/solid_ground/SG0009.htm

Take care all,
 
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