Payback to the GOP...

Every time the republicans either lose an election or not gain the seats they thought they should have they seem to think it must be because of their conservative beliefs, so then they get scared and think they have to become moderate (liberal) to save their own ass. In reality it's the Republicans abandoning their conservative beliefs that are tearing the Party down. I for one will vote for Bush this year, but if he lets me down it's Libertarian time. This next election in NYS the Republicans will definitely be hurting, because of their treachery of gun owners.

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"Gun Control is Only to Protect Those in Power"
 
The thought just ocurred to me that all the TFL Libertarians who are down on other TFLers for voting Republican again, reached walangkatapat's point earlier than the rest of us.

Imagine that you had made walangkatapat's statement four years ago about the GOP members in Congress. They didn't do anything to restore your RKBA rights, now you're voting Lib because you are convinced that the GOP is a lost cause. You gave them a chance, they didn't come through.

Just the beginnings of a thought, really. If someone would like to take it to it's logical conclusion, feel free...

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RKBA!
"The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security"
Ohio Constitution, Article I, Section 4
Concealed Carry is illegal in Ohio.
Ohioans for Concealed Carry Website
 
It's time to send the republicans a strong message. We put them in power in the congress in 94 and they stabbed us in the back. Pataki is still twisting the knife.

I will vote for Bush but the other republicans in NYS can BITE ME!

I intend to vote for the democrat in my congressional district (the seat Lazio has now) I will vote for Democrats in the state senate and assembly. It's time to turn NY into the liberal utopia to show the rest of the country how bad things will be under the Liberals. I fully expect Andrew Cuomo to be our next governor and handguns to be confiscated shortly after.

I will loose my guns while the rest of you watch, hopefully it will get the gunowners throughout the US to get off their butts.

There is a lot of PooPoo coming about Pataki and his buddies. Lots of indictments and such that will come out before the next gubernatorial election. Stay tuned.

Geoff Ross
 
I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad to be out of that state.

I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad to be living in a state the HCI gave a D- to.



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Joe Portale
Tucson, Arizona Territory

"Those who turn their swords into plow shears,
end up plowing the fields of those who didn't"
Thomas Jefferson
 
I came to the Lib conclusion 4 years ago. Simple logic really. Did the Republicans do anything pro-RKBA's? Did they repeal the rediculous 10 round magazine law (which by the way is a tremendous insult to those Beretta 96 owners)? Did they stop the destruction of all the M14's and instead give them to the poor who could not afford quality self-defense weapons? Nope. The GOP has continued to screw the pooch. Deep down I want to vote for them, but it takes more than lip-service to do this. I just recently finished a paper contrasting the modern political parties with the Federalists/ anti-Federalists. When I worked with the GOP and Democrats, in theory there was a huge difference, but in practice, there was practically none. I came away with more respect for the Green Party than I had for the GOP. They need to pull their head out of their 4th point of contact, or we'll all be blazin' away and gettin' shipped off to Alaskan re-education camps. I will not attempt to convince anyone to vote Libertarian. We all know they wont win, and hell, it could help algore. Sometimes our conscience dictates that we do what we believe no matter the consequences, and that is what I will do. I do hope that Bush beats gore though. I live in Texas where Bush will no doubt whoop Gore, so it is easy to vote libertarian for me.
 
At least over the course of the last three years or so, the GOP *leadership* at the Federal level has indeed been on our side. Stopping the avalanche of post-Columbine BS dead in it's tracks was nothing short of a miracle.

Ditto California - the GOP leadership here is as pro-RKBA as we could hope for. There ARE a few "traitors" but the leadership rigs key committees to form "no bad law chokepoints" - when they have control over Assembly or state Senate, that is. Right now they have neither, and it's important we fix that this November - that's the #1 Calif NRA priority this year.

But if the NYS GOP is screwing people (and this isn't the first report I've come across) then cool, paste 'em.

Just don't judge the whole party by a renegade state.

Jim
 
This is why I'm a Libertarian, and why I vote the way I do!!...it's long!

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The following article appears online today on
WorldNetDaily.com (http://www.worldnetdaily.com):


The Supreme Court Scam

By Harry Browne

For the past year, Republicans have been trying to explain to us
small-government advocates why we should vote for George W. Bush. But
since Mr. Bush has no plans to reduce government or improve our lives in
any significant way, Republicans have had only one argument: he isn't
Al Gore. ("You don't want Al Gore in the White House, do you?")

But after seeing the Republican convention -- with its theme, "big
government can be compassionate government" -- it turns out that George
Bush _is_ Al Gore after all.

Since George Bush loves big government as much as Al Gore does,
Republicans have had to find another reason for us to choose Bush over
Gore. So they remind us that the next President may select as many as
three or four new Supreme Court judges.

"Do you want Al Gore choosing those judges?" they ask.

The Supreme Court is a favorite Republican whipping boy. They blame the
court for many of today's ills -- hoping we'll ignore the role of the
big-spending Reagan and Bush administrations and the pork-obsessed,
over-regulating, power-hungry Republican Congress.

They neglect to mention that Republican presidents appointed seven of
the nine judges on the court they love so much to hate. They expect us
to jump at the chance to vote for a president who will undoubtedly
appoint more judges like Anthony Kennedy, Sandra Day O'Connor, and David
Souter.

And they ignore the fact that even their favorite judges -- Clarence
Thomas and Antonin Scalia -- often ignore the plain meaning of the
Constitution in an effort to impose their own values on America.

Picking a Supreme Court judge

We have bad Supreme Court judges because bad presidents have chosen
them. And the court won't be improved by electing another big-government
president -- whether his name is Al Gore or George Bush.

Every modern Supreme Court justice decides constitutional questions by
referring to something other than the plain language of the
Constitution. They invoke "original intent," a "living Constitution,"
"penumbras," "the greater good," or the "compelling interest" of
government. In so doing, they demonstrate that they're unqualified to
sit on the Supreme Court.

What should be the proper qualifications of a Supreme Court judge?
Should the president apply a litmus test in choosing nominees?

Yes, he should. If I become president, I will ask six simple questions
of any potential judge.

The First Amendment says,

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom
of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

And yet, when Congress or a legislature makes a law censoring the
Internet, restricting political advocacy, prohibiting cigarette
advertising on TV, or barring hate speech, the judges don't strike it
down automatically. They deliberate to determine whether the government
has a "compelling interest" in regulating speech or the press.
But the First Amendment says, "Congress shall make no law. ..."

It doesn't speak of the government's "compelling interest" or provide
for any exceptions or qualifications. It says very simply, "Congress
shall make no law. ..."

No law.

So the first question I would pose to any potential Supreme Court judge
is:

1. Can you read?

If the prospect can pass a reading test, we can move on to the second
question:

2. What do the words "Congress shall make no law" mean?

The Second Amendment says:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall
not be infringed.

Again, no exceptions or qualifications are given. So my next question
is:

3. What do the words "shall not be infringed" mean?

And on from there:

4. Do the thousands of gun laws now on the books infringe in any way
whatsoever on the "right of the people to keep and bear arms"?

The Ninth Amendment says:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall
not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the
people.

Nowhere in the Constitution is the government given the power to take
away your right to privacy, your right to defend yourself, your right to
keep your property, your right to choose your own retirement program, or
in fact any other right.
So my next question is:

5. What rights do the people no longer have, and where in the
Constitution were those rights taken from the people?

The 10th Amendment says:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,
nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States
respectively, or to the people.

My final question will be:

6. Where in the Constitution was it delegated to the United States
government the power to interfere in education, health care, law
enforcement, welfare, charity, corporate welfare, or any of the many
other areas that form a part of today's overbearing, over-regulating,
over-expensive federal government?

These six questions will tell me all I need to know about the kind of
judge a potential nominee would be.

Plain English

The Constitution isn't written in Chinese, Swahili, or Esperanto. It is
in plain English. We don't need anyone to translate or interpret for us.
It isn't even necessary to study the history of the adoption of the
Constitution, since there's nothing mysterious about its words.

Phrases like "make no law" or "shall not be infringed" or "retained by
the people" or "reserved to" are comprised of everyday words that
require no search for "original intent" or "penumbras."

The Constitution means what it says it means -- or it means nothing at
all. And any judge who overrules the plain English of the Constitution
is no judge at all -- whether he's been appointed by a Republican or a
Democrat.

Will either Al Gore or George Bush choose judges on the basis of their
respect for the plain words of the Constitution?

Of course not. They both believe in big government. They both believe
your leaders know what's best for you.

Neither of them thinks of you as a sovereign individual with inalienable
rights he should leave alone. And neither of them intends to have his
grand plans for a Brave New World derailed by the plain words of the
Constitution.

Al Gore doesn't want a Supreme Court judge who will strike down his
vision for federal pre-school programs. George Bush doesn't want a judge
who will strike down his vision of federal school vouchers.

Neither of them wants judges who will keep him from meddling in
education or violating the Constitution in any other way. Quite the
contrary.

So why should you think you'll be any freer with a Bush Supreme Court
than one selected by Al Gore? Do you believe George W. Bush -- who
hasn't proposed a single reduction in big government -- is determined to
keep the government's nose out of your business?

I don't think so. He can't wait to get his hands on the reins of power
so he can use your tax money to promote his favorite charities. He can't
wait to impose his concept of a good society on you.

What Do You Want?

Do you want smaller government?

If so, you will never get it so long as you support those who are making
government bigger. You will never get it by inventing excuses to vote
for those who are working to make government more expensive, more
intrusive, more oppressive.

If you vote Republican or Democratic, you're giving up. You're saying
there's no hope you'll ever be free, and so you're just going to make
the best of a bad bargain -- by voting for the person who will take you
to Hell at the slowest rate.

If you want freedom, you must vote for freedom -- not for big
government. When you do so, you may not get what you want this year. But
you're paving the way to get freedom in your lifetime -- and maybe even
in this decade.

But with the Republicans and Democrats, you'll never get what you want.
Instead, you, your children, and your grandchildren will face an
ever-larger, more intrusive government.

To get freedom, you have to vote for it -- for candidates who are
unconditionally for smaller government, with no exceptions and no
excuses.

---
Harry Browne is the Libertarian candidate for President. More of
his articles are available at http://www.HarryBrowne2000.org.


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Donnez-moi la liberté, ou donnez-moi la mort!
 
I'll be d4mned. Is it just me, or did that freaky article actually make sense?

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God, Guns and Guts made this country a great country!

oberkommando sez:
"We lost the first and third and now they are after the Second!(no pun intended)"
 
It really is amazing how many people dismiss Harry as a loon out of hand... until they actually read his articles or books, or meet him in person, or see him on teevee. "Wow," they say, "You mean that kindly, soft-spoken, grandfather-looking guy is the one who wants to release crackheads from jail and give them M-16s?" :rolleyes:
 
Yep, KaMaKaZe, it makes eminent good sense. Thanks for posting it, Frenchy.

And, BluesMan and kjm, I reached the Libertarian conclusion in 1976. I suspect everyone here will get to that same point eventually ... if we're not all put in the camps first.
 
I heard Harry Browne speak in '86, and we contributed to his campaign. Did I think he would win? Of course not. Did I think it was still the right thing to do? You bet.

I think that if most gun owners (who understand the RKBA ... I know that does not include all gun owners) thought as much about other issues as they do the RKBA, then many more of them would be libertarians. To be frank, there is a lot of depth in that philosophy. And, just as a careful honest examination of reality leads one to embrace the RKBA, I believe the same kind of examination leads one to embrace most if not all libertarian perspectives. IMHO.


Back to the topic of this thread ... when I first read the Black Flag Liberty page I shook my head. Supporting Democrats? However, in their situation, I agree ... they have little choice.

Everyone on TFL should note carefully what is happening. We are seeing the rapid rise of civil disobience actions re: the RKBA in both Canada and the U.S. The Tyranny Response Team now has efforts in over 20 states. The RKBA is becoming a full-fledged civil rights movement. And, IMHO, that is absolutely critical to overcoming the current insanity.

We are fortunate that brave people are still willing to march, and eventually, go to jail because of their belief in freedom.

My hat is off to those fine people in NY.

And, BTW, did you notice one of the organizers is Jeff Snyder? I wonder if that is the same fellow who authored 'A Nation of Cowards'?

Viva la resistance!

Regards from AZ
 
Yes, Jeff, that's the very same Jeff Snyder.

He writes on-line as well; see his excellent full-length piece on the S&W sell-out at another site, The Gun Zone. At the end of that article it talks about his upcoming book, "A Nation of Cowards," which I think is coming out this month.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Viva la resistance![/quote]

Toujours! Ecrasez l'infame!



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- Peter Collinson
 
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