Pataki signs gun bill

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K80Geoff

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Gov George Pataki yesterday signed into law the recent gun bill proposed in the legislature. Much has been written on this and other sites about this bill. The bill places restrictions on gun shows and prohibits people under 21 from owning handguns. It sets up a gun fingerprint database and brings NY state law into line with federal law with respect to alleged "assault guns".

Pataki made a good show of the signing, coming to Long Island to sign the bill with rep Carolyn (I beat the NRA) MCCarthy prominently present.

Pataki has angered Republicn and Conservative gun owners, there is talk of targeting several Republican State senators in the November elections.

I believe that this orchestrated attack on gun owners will hurt Rick Lazio in his bid for the senate. He is behind for the first time in weeks in the polls, some of that due to the choice of Liebermann as VP to algore, but some of it also due to the gunowners of the state feeling they have been sold out.

I will never vote for a republican again, regardless of who they are and how they vote on the gun issue. The Republicans are cutting their own throat and untill they show some support for gun owners I will not support them. They are turning gun owners into "niggers" for their own benefit to play on peoples fears and prejudices.

Al DaMato lost becuse the republican base did not turn out to vote for him in the last election. Lazio will face the same problem.

I intend to support the Constitution party candidate, Lou Wein, who hasn't a snowballs chance in hell of winning. I hope the republicans realize that they are destroying their own party with their actions.

I am a lifelong Republican, My father was a local committeman and I remember him dragging out the vote on election day. My uncle knew Rick Lazio's grandfather and helped him get his business off the ground. Gov Rockefeller at a republican function once single out my father as one of the people that got him elected.

The Republican's in NY State have turned on people like me who have supported them for years. Screw them!

Ha Ha, Hillary will be our next Senator !


"I have faced more discrimination in NY as a gun owner thn I have faced as a black man " - Tom Chandler, organizer of the recent rally at the NY State offices in Albany .

Rant mode off

Geoff Ross
 
Gee, one republican screws you so you retaliate by helping elect the Wife of Satan (if not the Prince(ss) of Darkness) herself. Lot of logic there!

Of course, in NY, you all haven't seen a real republican (except for D'Amato) in decades.
 
buzz:

I think Geoff reflects the flustration that a lot of us life long republicans feel. I was the first 18 year old in our district to register and to vote. I did so as a republican. Here in CA we will elect the Fiendstein to another term to the Senate. Why? Because to many people like me will not vote for Campbell. His position on gun control is not much better than hers.

I'm now to the point were, if we are going to loose our gun rights, then I say fine... lets get on with it. Lets stop the frog in the boiling pot bit. Lets turn up the heat so that all the little froggies in the pond can feel the heat. It's the only way we are going to put and end to this nonsence.



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Richard

The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
 
Hmmmmm..............


.............so if I help get an anti-gunrights candidate elected I'm doing my side a favor?


Hmmmm...............

So Al Gore should be our next pres because Gov. Bush is a Republican?

Hmmmm...............

And Hilary Clinton will show us the way in NY?

I live in Vermont; does this law mean I can't come to NY to compete?

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"All my ammo is factory ammo"
 
Can't blame you for your frustration ... was talking with my Mom a few days ago & she said I sounded bitter. Bitter!? I'm not bitter! I'm outraged!

But, a blanket "no mo Repubs" (or any other party for that matter) doesn't cut it. You do have to make 'em pay = loss of election (AND make certain that they & everyone else too, understand why) for selling y'all out.

You gotta work hard (caucus level, primaries, etc.) to put your guy in there.

As pointed out, NY's not had jack to vote for in a long time.

Coupla contacts in NY & the tempers are flarin'.
 
Where can one find the wording of this Bill?? I would like to know what impact this will have on Gun Shows, private sales, ownership of "assault rifles" prior to the bill being signed...

I think Pataki should be called "Two-Face" from now on, he says one thing they turns around and does something completely different. Wonder what made him change his mind??? I hear the almight dollar on this one......

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Dead [Black Ops]
 
I would like to understand what this means in terms of owning/buying/mailordering semiautomatic rifles and hicap clips. Can somebody help me?

Pete

So disappointed that pataki sold us all out.
 
Buzz Knox...it is not just one Republican, but a whole bunch of them who voted for Pataki's bill. Included in those backstabbers is my state senator, Owen Johnson, who has held himself up as the champion of sportsmen and has had fundraisers at the local R & G clubs.

I have tried to obtain the text of the bills, but the NY State official website has REMOVED the text from the link I had.!

Tried the NYSRPA and SASI websites but the links aren't working! I will keep looking.

The general consensus in NY is that we don''t know what effect the bill will have. NYS politicos are known for obtuse interpretations of state laws to fit their own agendas.

Geoff Ross

Anti gun is prejudice.

The weed of prejudice only flourishes in the soil of ignorance watered by the sweat of fear.
 
CNN/HN (I know, I know) had a blurb claiming it made the sale or POSESSION of "assault weapons" illegal. Does this mean there will have to be an Australian-style turn-in? Or are existing AW's grandfathered? Reckon how soon this will be challenged in court?
 
I got a fundraising letter from Rick Lazio's campaign this week, and I live in Idaho. I couldn't believe it. I sent them an email indicating I couldn't support him due to his gun control positions.
 
K80Geoff, I can't blame you for the way you feel. Republicans eat their own, Packwood, Newt, etc. Even though some may deserve it, the democrats stick by their own no matter what, Clinton, Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy, etc.

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"Gun Control is Only to Protect Those in Power"
 
Et Tu Pataki.. He can take this bill and shove it up his A$$. Pataki is a traitor and will pay for this at the polls, BIG TIME. My senator Rath is the only republican in this state I trust on the second Amendment. (her name is listed as a sponsor, but was put on without her knowledge or consent. She voted against it) See SCOPE's web site at: http://www.scopeny.org/S8234.html#

for the full text of the bill and their analysis.. Everyone in this state is STILL confused about federal pre-bans. Even a guy at the gun shop has one he bought legally after sept '94, but no one knows if it's legal or not!

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The first step is registration, the second step is confiscation, the final step is subjugation.
 
Here's the Newsday propaganda on the signing of the bill:

08/10/2000 - Thursday - Page A 30
 
Strict Stand on Guns
Pataki signs law at site of LIRR shootings

by Errol A. Cockfield Jr
Staff Writer

Gov. George Pataki chose Garden City's Merillon Avenue, a place of harsh memories, to sign stricter gun-control legislation into law yesterday.

This was just another Long Island Rail Road station until Dec. 7, 1993, when gunman Colin Ferguson killed six people and injured 19 during a shooting spree on an evening train.

So for the victims' relatives who came, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-Mineola) and Joyce Gorycki, both of whom lost their husbands, Pataki's pen strokes brought a discordant victory amid the backdrop of a continuous pain.

"This is where my husband got killed," said Gorycki. "It's a very emotional day, but it's a victory." Pataki, who broke with many fellow Republicans when he backed stricter firearm controls, called the bill the strongest anti-gun legislation in the United States and said he hopes it serves as a national model. "It's common sense," he said. "It will make our schools and communities safer." Under the law, New York becomes the first state to require background checks for buyers at gun shows. It also requires gun retailers to include a child safety lock with all purchases; bans assault weapons; raises the legal age requirement for gun permits from 18 to 21; establishes criminal sanctions for criminal purchase of a firearm; and requires gun owners to report lost or stolen guns to police.

Also, the new law requires firearms manufacturers to provide law enforcement officials with a ballistic fingerprint that each gun leaves on a bullet and shell casing-a sort of DNA test for handguns.

Most of the law's components take effect Nov. 1, but the ballistic testing would not become law until March 1.

Critics and gun rights activists called the measure feel-good legislation that lacks teeth. They said most manufacturers already provide trigger locks on their guns and it is up to gun owners to use them responsibly. Others said the new age requirement will prohibit young sports shooters.

John Cushman, president of the Sportsmen's Association for Firearms Education, said the gun show requirement will have little or no effect because criminals who buy guns purchase them on the black market.

"Anyone who is a criminal who wants to buy a gun isn't going to go to a gun show to buy a gun," Cushman said, adding that the new requirements add increased burdens on gun retailers and gun owners and infringe on their constitutional rights.

But Pataki said, "This bill doesn't take that [constitutional] right away.

This bill takes away the right of someone to engage in illegal activity because we haven't closed these loopholes." Democrats and Republicans in state government praised the law as an example of bipartisan leadership that would set the tone for gun-control legislation in other states and in Washington, D.C.

"It strengthens our efforts to keep guns out of the hands of violent criminals," said Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver (D-Manhattan). "It ensures that guns are possessed for lawful purposes only." McCarthy, who successfully ran for Congress after her husband's slaying and her son's wounding, said she would wave the legislation in front of lawmakers in the House of Representatives and tell them, "This is what we can do to save lives when we all work together." McCarthy was nervous about returning to the scene. "It's hard for us," she said, as she stood with Gorycki. "Every time we think about coming here it goes to the pit of our stomachs, but today is a good day."
 
 
Copyright © Newsday, Inc. Produced by Newsday Electronic Publishing.  

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The weed of prejudice only flourishes in the soil of ignorance watered by the sweat of fear.
 
Here's the Newsday propaganda on the signing of the bill:

08/10/2000 - Thursday - Page A 30
 
Strict Stand on Guns
Pataki signs law at site of LIRR shootings

by Errol A. Cockfield Jr
Staff Writer

Gov. George Pataki chose Garden City's Merillon Avenue, a place of harsh memories, to sign stricter gun-control legislation into law yesterday.

This was just another Long Island Rail Road station until Dec. 7, 1993, when gunman Colin Ferguson killed six people and injured 19 during a shooting spree on an evening train.

So for the victims' relatives who came, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-Mineola) and Joyce Gorycki, both of whom lost their husbands, Pataki's pen strokes brought a discordant victory amid the backdrop of a continuous pain.

"This is where my husband got killed," said Gorycki. "It's a very emotional day, but it's a victory." Pataki, who broke with many fellow Republicans when he backed stricter firearm controls, called the bill the strongest anti-gun legislation in the United States and said he hopes it serves as a national model. "It's common sense," he said. "It will make our schools and communities safer." Under the law, New York becomes the first state to require background checks for buyers at gun shows. It also requires gun retailers to include a child safety lock with all purchases; bans assault weapons; raises the legal age requirement for gun permits from 18 to 21; establishes criminal sanctions for criminal purchase of a firearm; and requires gun owners to report lost or stolen guns to police.

Also, the new law requires firearms manufacturers to provide law enforcement officials with a ballistic fingerprint that each gun leaves on a bullet and shell casing-a sort of DNA test for handguns.

Most of the law's components take effect Nov. 1, but the ballistic testing would not become law until March 1.

Critics and gun rights activists called the measure feel-good legislation that lacks teeth. They said most manufacturers already provide trigger locks on their guns and it is up to gun owners to use them responsibly. Others said the new age requirement will prohibit young sports shooters.

John Cushman, president of the Sportsmen's Association for Firearms Education, said the gun show requirement will have little or no effect because criminals who buy guns purchase them on the black market.

"Anyone who is a criminal who wants to buy a gun isn't going to go to a gun show to buy a gun," Cushman said, adding that the new requirements add increased burdens on gun retailers and gun owners and infringe on their constitutional rights.

But Pataki said, "This bill doesn't take that [constitutional] right away.

This bill takes away the right of someone to engage in illegal activity because we haven't closed these loopholes." Democrats and Republicans in state government praised the law as an example of bipartisan leadership that would set the tone for gun-control legislation in other states and in Washington, D.C.

"It strengthens our efforts to keep guns out of the hands of violent criminals," said Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver (D-Manhattan). "It ensures that guns are possessed for lawful purposes only." McCarthy, who successfully ran for Congress after her husband's slaying and her son's wounding, said she would wave the legislation in front of lawmakers in the House of Representatives and tell them, "This is what we can do to save lives when we all work together." McCarthy was nervous about returning to the scene. "It's hard for us," she said, as she stood with Gorycki. "Every time we think about coming here it goes to the pit of our stomachs, but today is a good day."
 
 
Copyright © Newsday, Inc. Produced by Newsday Electronic Publishing.  

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The weed of prejudice only flourishes in the soil of ignorance watered by the sweat of fear.
 
THIS MAKES ME SICK. I could rant on but I have to order more ammo.

I wonder way the sorry @ss Democraps and Republacraps will let an 18yr old go to war with those evil guns and kill,have the finger on the botton to launch missels, but you can`t trust them to own a gun.

What the hell has happened to this country.

Sorry about my rant but I could not stop myself.

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" Stupidity " Strange as it may seem, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it.
( Stephen Vizinczey, 1933 )
 
August 10, 2000
New York Republican State Committee
315 State St.
Albany, NY 12210

Dear Sirs:
I am writing to you to voice my negative opinion of the Governor Pataki’s 5-Point Package, S.8234. This legislation is a disservice to the people of New York State and the Republican Party. One could fulminate at length about the unconstitutional infringement of the Second Amendment, and rightly so.
However, I consider the truly malignant aspect of the bill is not that it is just a restriction on the rights of gunowners, but that it establishes the principle of the retroactive restriction of ANY property rights whatsoever, and the criminalization of a class of citizens. That a Republican governor would try to criminalize large numbers of law-abiding, honest, patriotic citizens defies comprehension. The gun owners that I know and befriend have been the most upright and righteous people that I have ever met, in and out of church. Many risked their lives serving the nation in the military. The attempt to marginalize and criminalize shooters and hunters (as a class) and confiscate their property is something that would be expected of formerly Communist Russia or China. What is the Governor thinking? What are the party leaders thinking? This legislation will completely destroy the credibility of the Republican Party at the national level. Believe me, I know. As a former (and likely future) Texan I have met and discussed politics with many citizens outside of the borders of New York State. The so-called Republicans of New York State are considered to be some of the most weak and accommodating representatives in the country.
At one time the Republican Party stood for the protection of property rights and liberty and against governmental confiscation and social engineering. Through some bizarre transformation (called not getting out enough) a Republican Governor has become the leader of the assault on property rights. Worse yet, during his time in office he has slowly morphed into a “bond-and-spend” Democrat who relies on the illusion that government spending somehow creates prosperity. Keynesian economists may be proud of the transformation. But we the people of upstate New York, who elected Governor Pataki are not at all pleased that he now espouses a style of politicking that leads to slow impoverishment. The recent census indicates that New York State will lose five seats in the House in the near future. This indicates that the rational expectation of the people is that the quality of life in New York State will continue to be eroded by the strong Socialist-Democratic ideology and that the best thing to do is to get the hell out. And that the Republicans are helpless to stop the trend.

At this time please start the search for a new and genuine Republican candidate for Governor. Fresh blood and new ideas are needed to replace the seduction of him who has been co-opted by the temptation of sugar-daddy politics.
Respectfully,
 
So they picked the site of Ferguson's rampage for the signing. It doesn't seem like this bill would have stopped him.
 
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