On first glance the proposal sounds reasonable. After all, it would certainly be a help to law enforcement to be able to tell from a spent casing not only what caliber gun was used in a crime, but also to know the make and serial number of the gun that fired it. But the proposal reportedly also contains a kicker: "The measure requires that when a weapon is sold, the dealer notify the state police of the ownership change." This implies that all sales would have to occur through a dealer, no private transfers, and the result would be, in effect, a comprehensive registration system. The authorities would maintain a master list showing at all times who owns what guns. This goes way beyond simply allowing the identification of a gun from a spent casing. The vast majority of guns are never used for any unlawful purpose, so the primary effect of this proposal would be to register law-abiding gun owners and their guns.
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Pataki gun "fingerprint" proposal
- Thread starter Byron
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Fingerprinting has it own problems, without any little kickers.
1. Repolish the chamber, pre-scratch the cases, new/modified firing pin, etc. Buy a new barrel for special occasions.
2. Buy a revoler that shoots .357, leave .357 sig cases on the ground. False trail. or use a brass catcher and leave some-elses brass.
3. Reloaders sometime use other peoples brass. Nice way to make people stop reloading...
4. Guns used in crimes are usually stolen, so it will tell the gun and how often it is used, but will it catch the user?
So while it may seem like a good idea its very easy to fool, or mudge the data. And again all it seems to do is register who has what.
1. Repolish the chamber, pre-scratch the cases, new/modified firing pin, etc. Buy a new barrel for special occasions.
2. Buy a revoler that shoots .357, leave .357 sig cases on the ground. False trail. or use a brass catcher and leave some-elses brass.
3. Reloaders sometime use other peoples brass. Nice way to make people stop reloading...
4. Guns used in crimes are usually stolen, so it will tell the gun and how often it is used, but will it catch the user?
So while it may seem like a good idea its very easy to fool, or mudge the data. And again all it seems to do is register who has what.
Allen_Raiford
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http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20000316/pl/guns_politics.html
"Meantime, Texas Gov. George W. Bush (news - web sites), who has clinched the Republican presidential nomination, said he might favor a law requiring every new firearm to include technology that would allow the weapons to be fired only when matched to the owner's fingerprint. And he told reporters he is willing to sign a law requiring that trigger locks be sold with all handguns, although he doubts it would reduce gun violence.
Elsewhere, New York Gov. George Pataki called for a series of gun-control measures in his state that include making trigger locks mandatory, taking ballistic ``fingerprints'' of guns, requiring dealers and manufacturers to send to a state lab a test bullet and shell casing from every handgun they sell in the state, raising the age for handgun ownership from 18 to 21 and requiring instant background checks of gun buyers at flea markets and gun shows."
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Bush is now jumping on the "gun safety" bandwagon. Pataki is also being considered for the VP slot. Looks like we picked the wrong guy.
"Meantime, Texas Gov. George W. Bush (news - web sites), who has clinched the Republican presidential nomination, said he might favor a law requiring every new firearm to include technology that would allow the weapons to be fired only when matched to the owner's fingerprint. And he told reporters he is willing to sign a law requiring that trigger locks be sold with all handguns, although he doubts it would reduce gun violence.
Elsewhere, New York Gov. George Pataki called for a series of gun-control measures in his state that include making trigger locks mandatory, taking ballistic ``fingerprints'' of guns, requiring dealers and manufacturers to send to a state lab a test bullet and shell casing from every handgun they sell in the state, raising the age for handgun ownership from 18 to 21 and requiring instant background checks of gun buyers at flea markets and gun shows."
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Bush is now jumping on the "gun safety" bandwagon. Pataki is also being considered for the VP slot. Looks like we picked the wrong guy.
In New York state any Handgun sold goes on your Pistol license and cannot be sold in the state without notifying the issuing authority. If the gun is stolen you have to notify the PD and fill out a bunch of forms.
Most guns used in the state in the commission of crimes are not licensed and are not documented. Pataki is trying to make points with Soccer Moms. You cannot own a handgun without going through background checks in NY. All of these laws did not stop Colin Ferguson from his shooting spree on the Long Island RR.
Pataki is just another NERepublican, and they are worse than Democrats when it comes to RKBA. He did this just to get his name on the evening news, he wants to be VP.
Geoff Ross
Most guns used in the state in the commission of crimes are not licensed and are not documented. Pataki is trying to make points with Soccer Moms. You cannot own a handgun without going through background checks in NY. All of these laws did not stop Colin Ferguson from his shooting spree on the Long Island RR.
Pataki is just another NERepublican, and they are worse than Democrats when it comes to RKBA. He did this just to get his name on the evening news, he wants to be VP.
Geoff Ross