Panama Canal

sumabich

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This topic is more of a question. Didn't somone post a few weeks ago about the Chinese buying (?) part or all of the Panama Canal? If so can someone refresh my memory on that one? I just about choked on a drink last night watching the "Samari and the Swastica) on the History channel, both Japan and Germany were making plans to attack the canal and put it out of commission so that we couldn't supply the war effort. Could this be China's strategy? :eek:
 
As I understand it, the contractor operating the PC for the Panamanian government is a PRC Red Army operation.

When we handed over the canal, I predicted that we would see American lives lost to take it back within my son's lifetime (he's 13), and quite likely within the first decade of the 21st century. I continue to stand by that prediction.

Jimmy Carter is a nice guy, but as a President, he was a disaster. Needless to say, if I think Carter was a disaster, Slick Willie was a train wreck colliding with a jumbo jet crashing into a nuclear plant meltdown.

Go to World Net Daily, do a search on "panama canal", and read some of the articles. Here's one:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>In 2000, it's China Canal
Clinton admits Beijing to control
crucial waterway through Panama

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By David Kupelian
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

President Clinton admitted yesterday that the Communist Chinese will, in fact, run the Panama Canal when the United States pulls all of its troops out and relinquishes control of the vital waterway Jan. 1, 2000.
Speaking to reporters in the Oval Office before leaving on a trip to the west coast, Clinton addressed the issue of the imminent U.S. surrender of the American-built multi-billion-dollar canal.

"I supported it at the time and I still support it," Clinton said, referring to the controversial 1978 treaties signed by then-President Jimmy Carter and Panamanian dictator Omar Torrijos, requiring U.S. surrender of the Panama Canal to the Central American nation at the century's end.

"I think it's the right thing to do," the president said.

Clinton noted that the United States would be represented in Panama for the year-end change-over by former President Carter, whose administration negotiated the treaties, and Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. Carter "deserves enormous credit" for winning Senate passage of the treaties, which, Clinton added, were "very controversial, immensely unpopular. A lot of the members of the Senate ... had their seats put in peril over it," the Associated Press reported.

As the year end approaches, increasing congressional and military warnings about America's imminent loss of control of the canal have been dismissed and scoffed at consistently by the Clinton administration.

During yesterday's announcement, Clinton, once again, at first brushed off concerns -- voiced most recently by former Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Thomas Moorer -- that China is preparing to take over the canal once the United States leaves. Moorer has asserted publicly that China plans to seize control of the canal through a Hong Kong company, Hutchison Whampoa Ltd. -- a firm widely believed to have close links to the Chinese military -- which has won rights to operate ports on both ends of the canal.

But then, in disarmingly unambiguous words, the president openly admitted that China will, indeed, control the Panama Canal after Dec. 31.

"I think the Chinese will in fact be bending over backwards to make sure that they run it in a competent and able and fair manner," Clinton said.

"They'll want to demonstrate to a distant part of the world that they can be a responsible partner," the president said. "And I would be very surprised if any adverse consequences flowed from the Chinese running the canal."

But the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff is very concerned about "adverse consequences." "I am appalled," Moorer told WorldNetDaily in an exclusive interview, "that the president would make such a statement, and that his advisers would mislead him to this degree. If what he says takes place, and the Chinese are allowed to remain and increase their presence, the results will be catastrophic for the U.S."

"If we have to go back in to restore the canal to its previous position," he said, "there will be many casualties, and they won't be confined to the canal area itself. Our inability to move our forces back and forth (through the canal) will result in casualties of our forces in other parts of the world." If the U.S. is prevented from navigating through the Panama Canal, it must travel an extra 9,000 miles around South America.

Moorer added an ominous warning regarding China's strategic use of the canal.

"No one seems to grasp the threat to the U.S. that can be posed by Chinese container ships. When the Russians brought missiles into Cuba, American citizens went into a panic," said Moorer. "But now, following the lead of the president, Americans are practically ignoring" China's ability to do the same.

A Chinese dissident who spoke to WorldNetDaily on condition of anonymity, echoed Moorer's concern.

"The chinese Communists don't have a sufficient number of long-range ICBMs, and those they do have don't have sufficient accuracy," he said, "even though they are drastically improving them, thanks to U.S. technology. But the shortage of ICBMs can be compensated by, one, submarines, and two, an enclave close to the U.S."

Larry Elgin, president and counsel of U.S. Defense-American Victory, commented, "I believe that the game is not over." Regarding his organization's lawsuit challenging the imminent relinquishing of the canal to Panama, Elgin noted: "If the treaties are invalid because they were never fully formed ... then it will be up to Congress. The canal itself may never transfer."

"The Clinton administration is supremely overconfident and arrogant," added Elgin. "This is a deep constitutional issue, and it could go either way. Clinton is confident nothing can be done, but I think he is mistaken."

The former chairman of the InterAmerican Defense Board, Gen. Gordon Sumner, responded to President Clinton's comment about being "very surprised if any adverse consequences flowed from the Chinese running the canal."

"I think he's been surprised repeatedly during his administration," said Sumner. "It's a matter of critical national security importance that we're not surprised. We're taking a risk to allow President Clinton to perform for the money he has received from the Chinese."

"The man is living in a dream world," added Sumner. "He has paid no attention to Latin America. I think it's an obscenity that he said such a thing. He counts China as America's strategic partner, but they have said publicly we are their number one enemy. That is a major disconnect."

See Joseph Farah's exclusive commentary,
"Clinton's Panama Canal admission."


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David Kupelian is managing editor of WorldNetDaily.
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[This message has been edited by JimR (edited June 25, 2000).]
 
There will be a nasty, high-casuality war with Mainland China. They will use the canal to their advantage.

We will lose.
 
It seems to me a right time for the Chinese to start something over Taiwan would be right after the November elections. clinton would screw around, accomplishing nothing, for fear the Chinese would release something they have on him that would guarantee an indictment after he leaves office. By the time a new administration takes power, Taiwan will be just another province of China.
 
I asked,6 months ago, if anyone had ever heard of Hutchison corporation who contracts to do work on the canal.
Nobody could answer my question at that point. I guess now it seem to be common
knowledge now. It looks like Carter
a democrat, gave the canal away. Wait
and see, it will be interesting how things turn out.
 
It seems we are reliying on our "superior" technology to replace facts on te ground...again.

Just as this "service" econmy has replaced much of our manufacturing base to the benifit of china. (Japan and Germany refuse to sell out their countries to the extent we have).

What will happen when China calls our nuclear Bluff??? Will the "star wars program " virtualy killed by the dems. be revived in time? Will it work?

If we don't annihalate our-seves, this will be conventional. China is not so far behind technologicly as some lead us to believe. Some of the most dramatic advances in scince have been in part due to mainland scientists....

Are we condemed to live in "Intresting times?"
 
My guess is that if I were living in LA right now, I'd start contemplating a move or stock in sun tan lotion! It is comming. We will live to see the day that the canal becomes a military objective (and what a crappy place to fight), and I pray that we will see the day that the Democratic Party will be as shunned as the Communist Party in the 1950's. Be very careful who you vote for, because you may not like what they have done to us in 30 or so years.
 
The Chinese control both ports to the Panama canal at this time. So they effectively run the canal.
 
http://Alamo-Girl.com/0051.htm

President Clinton has allowed a company controlled by Chinese communists -- Hutchinson-Whampoa Ltd. -- to take control of the Canal cities at
both ends of the Canal. Further, under Panamanian Law #5, Hutchinson-Whampoa will determine which ships are allowed to enter the Canal and many of the Canal's operations. This is utterly absurd and
frightening…. "
 
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