P7M8 Fans: Question?

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DDS

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I just picked up a pristine condition HK (25 rounds shot). I took it to the range yesterday and put 200 rounds through the gun. Besides getting very hot the following were my observations:

* This gun is super accurate.
* The trigger seems to have a 3 "stage" trigger action. By this, I mean, the initial light take-up of trigger slack is stage 1; then there is the sensation of tension and movement on the striker, and finally, a light crisp break. It took me quite a while to acclimate myself to transition to the third stage for accurate shooting. When able to do so the accuracy was superb, rivaling my Sig P210 and HK P9S.
When I pulled smoothly through as, in combat shooting or rapid fire, the groups obviously opened up, but were still tight. I realize this gun is designed as a combat pistol and my question may be a moot point. But the question is the following:

All of you experienced H&K shooters, are your triggers the same as I have described above? If so, did they eventually break in?
Did it take long? I am used to a two-stage trigger on my P210, but it is easily mastered and quite precise. On the P7M8 it was very difficult to acquire that final breakpoint. Sometimes I fired inadvertently when attempting to shoot accurately. Do all of you guys just shoot this gun in a combat fashion? Any feedback would be appreciated!
Thanks, Dave



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Hi DDS;
I feel the three stages you mention, though really, the first is only a slght takeup, maybe 2 mm, with no resistance at all, before the resistance of the striker spring can be felt; from there, it's a uniform, rather odd feeling 'till the trigger breaks, at which point you can sometimes feel a last "step" as the gun fires.
I've shot mine for 15 years, and both feel the same (one is new), and I guess I'd say that you get used to it. It's nothing like a tuned 1911A1 trigger, nor much like any other trigger setup I can think of other than some military rifle triggers. The gun is nonetheless capable of extreme accuracy.
Incidentally, FWIW, the word is "moot", not "mute", re: a point that may be of no consequence. I'm not meaning to be snide, just offering a gentle correction. Best.

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"Potius sero quam nunquam."
 
SAWBONES:

Thank you for the comments, I appreciate it!
Also, thanks for pointing out the error! I am a very SLOW, poor typist(one finger) and I typed my post several times which took awhile. Each time I went back to make corrections somehow when I hit the backspace button to make a correction the whole post disappeared?? I got so frustrated I had my wife type it and did not bother to check it. However, my grammar and spelling is usually worse than my wife! One day when I get the time I WILL try to take some typing instruction.
I do feel better that my pistols trigger is exactly as you described yours. It will just take some time to get used to it. I am so acclimated to custom tuned actions and especially my superb P9S Target .45's trigger. Oh well, just different guns!

Thanks again!

Dave

"SAWBONES"... Orthopedic surg. I presume??
 
My trigger has a very short slack takeup, and then breaks at a later point...so I would say it is only a 2 stage trigger. This is true on both my P7M8 and P7M13.

And they are both super accurate. Take good care of yours...you won't see its like for some time.

Holsters are sort of a problem for these guns...shop around carefully to find something you like, that fits.
 
Dave -

I would pretty much agree with Sawbones so perhaps my point is moot and if that is the case then perhaps I should remain mute. :p


Enough of that.

I had a difficult time with the transition from my "old" shooter to my P7. I fixed this problem by just shooting the P7 and nothing else for awhile. Now , no problem.

If you really get bitten by the P7 bug then you might want to look at this site. They have a forum dedicated to the P7.
The Old Bone Cutter even posts on it. ;) http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/
 
Hi again DDS;
I too am pretty much a hunt'n' peck typer.
I also have that problem of an attempted "backspace" while typing a post causing the browser to go back to the previous URL. If you use your "forward" button, though, you'll get back to your post, and won't have to start over.
About the SAWBONES handle: it's just Hollywood gangster slang for a doctor. Actually, I'm a neurologist.
Welcome to the P7 Club. As others noted above, holsters are best chosen carefully for this short-framed, butt-heavy little gun. I would highly recommend Lou Alessi's CQC/S and Ken Null's GSS for OWB holsters, and the P7M8 is among the most comfortable guns to carry in a shoulder rig, if you're so inclined. (E-Mail me if you're interested in shoulder rigs, and I'll send you my "Shoulder Holster Reviews".) I've tried just about every holster-type made for this gun, by almost every maker except Mitch Rosen, and Null & Alessi are clearly the best. (Actually, I tried Milt Sparks' wares for the P7 long ago when Milt was still alive, back in the '80s, so I can't speak for Tony Kanaley's current offerings, which are reputed to be excellent.) Best.

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"Potius sero quam nunquam."
 
Hi DDS:
I know about the three stage feel of the HK M series pistols. I found that mine did get a bit smoother with use. Also, when I had one hard-chromed, the trigger pull became smoother. I agree that these guns are very accurate. I've had the best accuracy with Federal 9BP 115 gr. JHP cartridges. They require some getting used to but they have become my favorite pistol. Welcome to the group.

Jeff
 
Thanks for the feedback guys. I intend to check the parkcities website and register.

SAWBONES: The gun came with an excellent custom made holster by Horseshoe Leather. It has never been used! Beautiful workmanship!
I intend to use this as my carry gun if I become as proficient with it as my P9S(wonderful pistol!)I'll let you know how it carries. It is a high ride belt slide model, very minimalistic.

Thanks for the welcome and I look forward to conversing, albeit slowly, at parkcities.

Regards,

Dave
 
As far as trigger probs with your H&K contact Teddy Jacobson @ AActions bt "T" , 1-281-277-4008, member American Handgunner Club 100, and a very good friend, SC <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DDS:
I just picked up a pristine condition HK (25 rounds shot). I took it to the range yesterday and put 200 rounds through the gun. Besides getting very hot the following were my observations:

* This gun is super accurate.
* The trigger seems to have a 3 "stage" trigger action. By this, I mean, the initial light take-up of trigger slack is stage 1; then there is the sensation of tension and movement on the striker, and finally, a light crisp break. It took me quite a while to acclimate myself to transition to the third stage for accurate shooting. When able to do so the accuracy was superb, rivaling my Sig P210 and HK P9S.
When I pulled smoothly through as, in combat shooting or rapid fire, the groups obviously opened up, but were still tight. I realize this gun is designed as a combat pistol and my question may be a moot point. But the question is the following:

All of you experienced H&K shooters, are your triggers the same as I have described above? If so, did they eventually break in?
Did it take long? I am used to a two-stage trigger on my P210, but it is easily mastered and quite precise. On the P7M8 it was very difficult to acquire that final breakpoint. Sometimes I fired inadvertently when attempting to shoot accurately. Do all of you guys just shoot this gun in a combat fashion? Any feedback would be appreciated!
Thanks, Dave

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