My oldest son, my son-in-law and I went shooting on July 4th. I shoot a lot more than they do, but it sure didn't show. We shot my .45 Colt, 7.35mm rifle and .308 rifle, and the only round I won was when we shot the hot loaded .45 Colt loads. I guess them young sissies couldn't handle the recoil.LOL. Otherwise they humbled me something fierce. I think it was because I was having so much fun, I was shaking with excitement. One of the best 4th of July's ever.