Our freedoms protected by commie weapons?

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Rusty S

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Several years ago a poll of americans showed that they considered the greatest threat to their freedom to be their own government. If anything, the premise now seems even more well founded.

1) Truth is truth no matter who says it. Chairman Mao may have been a communist tyrant but that doesn't make his observation that (all) power comes from the barrel of a gun any less true.


2) They used to give lip service to the idea that the government's authority to govern derived from the consent of the governed - you and me. And that if it wasn't illegal, you could make up your own mind whether to do something or not. Not a popular idea anymore among our politicians, who think they need to protect and control and tell us what we can do.

And after seeing Cseaucescu taken out and shot, ( has anyone noticed that gun control measures didn't start passing regularly til after CNN let the world and Congress see his fate? ) an even more important issue is for politicians to protect themselves from being hanged or shot by some whacko with a gun. Politicians can't seem to understand that the desire of their constituents to see them strung up may have been brought about by something egregious they did themselves.

3) With Smith and Wesson, Colt, Ruger and whomever is next kowtowing to unethical and immoral pressure on them by the administration, it is ironic that the ability of the people to preserve their freedoms should push come to shove is increasingly provided by former combloc surplus arms imported at low prices:

a)the hundred/hundred-fifty dollar SKS's, and b)the hundred and fifty dollar Makarovs, with c)cheap enough ammo to buy a hundred rounds apiece of SKS and Mak ammo for fifty bucks.

For just now an armed populace's ability to resist provides a small but definite deterent to the more blatantly outragious govermental actions that might otherwise be taken.

I grew up watching the civil rights marches in the south in the '60s to get the blacks the vote. Now everyone can vote but sometimes I feel like the big money rigs it so it doesn't make any difference whomever gets elected.

But communist weapons securing for now whatever American freedoms we have left that haven't already been sold out? Does that leave as bitter a taste in your mouth as it does mine? Sorry, got a toothache just killing me. Rant mode off, but where am I going wrong and what am I overlooking? Comments please - thanks.
 
Well said.

Any gun that comes to the aid of my country and my family is on *our* side.

Personally, the AK I own is the one I can trust to defend all of our freedoms. It carries no stigma to me, and I trust it surely as I would trust an American made weapon.
 
Does anybody remember the ad Steyr ran when it imported the Egyptian Maadi (AKM)? It touted, "Make this gun the symbol of your American Freedom" and depicted the AKM with its 30 round banana clip against a blazen red background. What irony to use the AK, a weapon associated with communist guerillas and terrorists, along with the red background like Soviet or Red Chinese flag, as a symbol of our "American" freedom. While my friends and I joined in laughter when we saw it and thought it was about as dumbest marketing ad we've seen, nobody is laughing today.
 
Not only that, Gary, but when someone brought the following up it was a shock to realize.

1) As we all know from the media, the AR15/M16 are evil assault weapons.

2) The M16 ( genre ) is the weapon issued to our troops, the finest we could give those who go in harms way to protect our freedoms.

It was a slap in the face to realize that our service rifles are now "bad guns" instead of a symbol of freedom. The 03, the 17, the Garand and Carbine, all good guns. The M14 and M16 - evil.

I have nothing against those who buy the Kalashnikov in any form. It isn't for me, because it feels clumsy. As for the SKS, with either 20 round fixed or using AK mags - hmm... one for the car, one for the truck, one for the office, one for the house, one for a spare - how many is that so far? Better pick up another next time I see a good deal on one.
 
We are one of the few people in the world whose freedom these guns can protect.
These guns should have gone back to the people who paid for them, but the people of these countries, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, etc., etc. have never had a right to their own arms and still do not. This is a prime reason for the horrific governments they have had to endure in the past and, frankly, one of the prime reasons that their futre does not look too bright either.
Americans have enough rifles of our own manufacture and have the money to buy even more from abroad. I believe we would be much more safe both now and in the future if these East Europeans could have kept their weapons for themselves.
 
Agreed, Herodotus.

It burns me to see the Enfield No 4 Mk 1 & 2 offered over here instead of being issued to honorably discharged brits, to serve as a symbol of having served and to provide for defense in emergencies. Or offered for sale to brit subjects. They belong in the closets of the good subjects of the UK, along with 50 or 100 rounds of ammo. Too late now, they've been adopted and stay with me.
 
In my opinion the gun that is the symbol of American freedom is the M1 Garand. I am beyond belief that Klinton signed an executive order banning the beauty that helped to vanquish the japanese imperial army and the nazis. Why they heck not take all those smuggled M1s and give 'em to the CMP? That would be a thing of a service to the nation and her citizens. Of course it won't happen...

Like Rusty said, demonizing the guns used by the Armed Services is a slap in the face. Ross Perot for splitting the vote in '92.
 
And the Garand is a WW2 relic, mostly more than 50 years old. They ought to be issued to honorably discharged members of the service, and available for sale to any citizen not disqualified from ownership of a gun.

Sadly, the responsible american citizen who cares about his country and has demonstrated that by service to it is the last person the state and politicians wish to be armed. Not because they are enemies of the state, but because they may conclude that the government has become the enemy of the constitution and the citizenry.

How does that saying go? "Limit politicians to two terms: one in office and one in prison!"
 
Tokarev, Makarov, Simonov, Kalashnikov,Nagant
(that last one kind of ruins the incantation). You're damn right they are.
 
Face it, marijuana will never be legalized. Not because of fears that somebody might smoke it, but because politicians know that hemp makes rope, which is rightly the substance of their nightmares.
 
the SKS rifle was developed as a rifle that could be mass produced cheaply and could run under any conditions. i have yet to put any of mine in a bind that stopped it. this includes a paratrooper model that is parkerized with a Dragnov type stock. i keep it lashed under the seat of my john boat. it is my companion bow fishing, river running, turtle fishing, frog gigging. it has never failed to fire or cycle despite mud, rain, grit, lack of cleaning or other abuse. i would like to see a M1 or an AR15/M16 do that. plus i have enough of them to arm a small regiment and i have a stockpile of ammo that would make janet reno and slick wille sweat. all that and i did not have to go into debt to buy it all. i don't care if Commies designed and built the weapons, i know that the money China and eastern Europe got for thier out of date SKS's went to rearm thier armies. when our government stops bandsawing and torching our old military weapons and passes them on to citizens i will consider one.

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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what is for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.
Let he that hath no sword sell his garment and buy one. Luke 22-36
They all hold swords, being expert in war: every man hath his sword upon his thigh because of fear in the night. Song of Solomon 3-8
The man that can keep his head and aims carefully when the situation has gone bad and lead is flying usually wins the fight.
 
A regiment?

Nope, just a light platoon for me.

Course as they say, your first gun only has to be good 'nuff to get you your second gun.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Don Gwinn:
It's a gun.
Guns are inanimate objects.
Inanimate objects have no position on Communism.[/quote]

Gosh Don, that was pretty succinct ;)

I am no expert on guns, My AK is the first gun of that kind I've ever had, and I like it a lot. I feel safe behind that scary black thing, and I'm pretty sure anyone it gets pointed at will get out of Dodge right away.


History has a way of weirdly twisting around what are meaningful symbols for us into a whole other reality, and it can be a bit discomforting to some. Its been said that the Japanese invaded Hawaii twice, the second time they just out and bought it.

It certainly seemed so when I lived there.

While the ironic symbolism of the AK47 as the defender of The American way of life may seem odd to some, I think it is also a symbol of revolution, and the underdog willing to fight for his freedom and a better life for his children against tyranny and oppression... and it might even come to revolution in this country again...

At least that's how I've chosen to look at it.

Amy



[This message has been edited by Amy (edited May 09, 2000).]
 
Good thread.

I guess the ones that are here are American guns now, though. I know mine is. :cool:

I had never before considered the symbolism of these guns coming to the USA from countries whose citizens are not allowed to own them. Think I'll go buy an Enfield to commemorate the continuing emasculation of the British lion.

Ah, freedom.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rusty S:
Face it, marijuana will never be legalized. Not because of fears that somebody might smoke it, but because politicians know that hemp makes rope, which is rightly the substance of their nightmares.[/quote]

HeHe ;)

Skyhawk
 
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