Other Pro Gun organiztions than the NRA

sar

New member
As a Life Memeber of the NRA since 1994, I am now looking for organizations that people can recommend that are more grass roots to support as well. I am looking for level headed groups that make reasonable aguements for the pro-gun citizen. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

These are the other groups I am looking into - Gun Owners of America, 2nd Amendment Foundation, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, Inc.

I would like to pick one or two and concentrate to limited dollars to. Thanks.
 
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I meant to say I am looking for one or two in order to make the most use of my limited dollars. Thanks.
 
As a link to CCRKBA, try SAF (second amendment foundation) http://www.saf.org

But if you really want grassroots activism, I suggest you create your own merry band of rogue malcontents for your local pursuits. Just a half-dozen of you, committed to making life miserable for the local antis, can make quite a difference.

Here is what you do. Start a new post. Ask for people in your area to e-mail you so that you can have a get-together over pizza and beer. Don't rely on e-mail alone. Phones are faster than e-mail and real-time. Discuss with some of the members what you want to do. Then write up a short agenda for the meeting. While you are at it you can go over to http://www.YahooGroups.com (or whatever it is since Yahoo bought out eGroups.) and create a listserve using the contacts you have gotten. Call it CapitolCityRKBA@Yahoogroups.com (or whatever).

Sit down to dinner and figure out how much time you have to spare for activism. Pick your tasks accordingly. Don't bury yourselves or burn out. Slow and steady.

BTW, you could put out this same request at other forums such as http://www.glocktalk.com (non-glocking forum), and maybe freerepublic, if you desire.

You don't want a lot of bodies. You want the few, the proud, the active. Those who will turn off their computers and show up at a city council meeting or call of the local PD to see why they are misinterpreted some statute, or other.

Your choice.

Rick
 
Another organization that is just getting on their feet, but that seems to be very grass roots oriented and has dedicated leadership is KABA - Keep And Bear Arms. I think they have a future. Time will tell. I am giving them all the support I can.
 
Well, I have not joined the NRA due to several factors, including a Pennsylvania gun control law they helped author. I do belong to JPFO and GOA and think my dollars are well spent, and also Law Enforcement Alliance of America http://www.leaa.org/ they are pro 2nd and pro privacy, good people. However, if Mr. Heston's comments continue in the vein they have, I will join the NRA. He may just do more good than I hoped to the cause. (and I have high expectations of everyone..)
 
What state do you live in?

sar:

If you want to get involved on a grassroots level and you live in Michigan, the Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners is a non-profit, grassroots group. We're always looking for activists to be volunteers, and cash definitely helps, too. Check us out at http://www.mcrgo.org

straightShot
 
Roll yer own

I'm tellin' ya. You might want to support a state group such as a rifle and pistol association but that does not mean that they share your politics. R&P associations could be hunter-only groups that don't care about your gun or gun issue. You might want to show up at their meetings but you might spend way too much time convincing them to help you out with some infringement. And then, the R&P group being so big could then take over the cause and mess it up.

The NRA did that with Pennsylvania's Act 17 and Arizona's HB2905 (state preemption).

Go out and find yourself six buddies who want to do something. Hell, start with two buddies and go from there.

You lead. The others will follow.

Rick
 
Most states have a local grass-roots organization in place that's actually an NRA "state affiliate org". As such they get information, support and when necessary money from the NRA (or rather, NRA/ILA - the political wing), but are more familiar with local conditions day to day.

MCRGO in Michigan is one of the best examples of this breed, they just succeeded in passing shall-issue and need support defending it from attack until widespread carry has proven itself. Both WA state and Mass have state orgs named "GOAL", both of those are very good. Those are just the ones I know of off the top of my head.

In addition to giving money, consider giving *time*. Show up at meetings if possible, for damnsure get on that org's mailing list, be part of the network that floods the legislature with targetted calls/letters/faxes when key bills (good or bad) are being debated.

California is unique in that there's a state-affiliate org (California Rifle and Pistol Assn) BUT the NRA also runs a whole string of local "Member's Councils". The MCs don't need money so much as they need you to show up every month, learn what the heck is going on, get involved. If you want to send money to be used purely for activity in California, send it to the CRPA, that way you can be assured you're paying for lobbying and such out here.

The home page for the California MC system (with CRPA links) is here: http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/

Hmmm...*somewhere* there's a complete list of state-affiliate orgs. Can't seem to find it. I'll pass this URL to some people who'll know, expect to see that here soon.

Right now, I believe the NRA's "gameplan" is a good one. By painting Bush as "moderate enough to win enough sheeple to get elected", and similarly having Ashcroft appear "moderate enough" to get confirmed, they've helped put a really solid team in DC. The NRA's membership is at an all-time peak plus the rate of increase is unprecedented, scaring the hell out of enough of the Dems that there's serious voices in the party to drop gun control from the platform. Heston in the top slot has given us media coverage that would otherwise be unavailable to us due to his "Celeb status", plus he's one hell of a speaker. LaPierre is sneaky as hell, the most politically astute strategic leader we've ever had.

Anyways, that's my opinion. That's not meant as a slur on the smaller orgs, most of them do at least one function extremely well, such as the JPFO's exposure of the links between gun control and genocide.

But I think we're going to win the war to restore our rights, and I think the NRA will be the biggest factor in doing so. To that end, financing the NRA/ILA and/or the state affiliate orgs is among the most efficient uses of your bux available.

Jim
 
Mothers Arms is doing great work to help women understand this issue ... http://www.mothersarms.org .

IMHO, if we don't turn women around on this issue, we'll be in for even rougher times ahead. Women need to engage their minds re: the RKBA ... not just their hearts.

Whichever group(s) you choose, thank you for supporting the RKBA. It will take many voices to defend individual liberty and personal responsibility.

Regards from AZ
 
Well, I have not joined the NRA due to several factors, including a Pennsylvania gun control law they helped author. I do belong to JPFO and GOA and think my dollars are well spent, and also Law Enforcement Alliance of America http://www.leaa.org/ they are pro 2nd and pro privacy, good people. However, if Mr. Heston's comments continue in the vein they have, I will join the NRA. He may just do more good than I hoped to the cause. (and I have high expectations of everyone..)-------

OH cool more pretty speeches from an actor.
And here I was expecting something different like...
eh er um,hmm oh YEAH
action!
Like action in opposition to guncontrol and gunlaws not in support of them as the NRA has been doing.
Sometimes I break out laughing at everyone including a lot of those from this board when we talk of how strong the NRA
is or whats its stood up for?
All that talk about MMM march and the sasisters and getting behind the NRA and what Clinton wanted,
guess what?! 90% perecent of what Clinton wanted the NRA
had no problem with.
He keeps lying time after time after time saying the NRA opposed all those measures he wanted like the ban on the
standard capapcity mag importation.
When have you heard the NRA say they opposed that one
or that they lobbied against the mandatory triggger lock bill?
Still dont beleive me?
Go back and look at what republican senators voted for the
senate version of that bill that Clinton wanted
among them will be Lott,Hatch and Mccain two of those I know the NRA fully endorse.S.254 I beleive
But did they even tell us that those fools sold us out?
NO not that I know of anyway and neither did the citizens committee and despite their votes for it 2 of those 3 men are still advisers to the CCRKBA.Hello???
But GOA did tell me about their betrayal and took action
and through their action they caused Hatch to withdraw
his support from this horror bill.
They also brough out who supported the house version
again the CCRKBA (citizens committee) and the NRA did not,
in fact when I wrote my congressmen about it (Ed Bryant
R-TN) he simply bragged about his B+ rating from the NRA
after his vote it went to an A!!!! an A.
So he basically said that since the largest $$$$ lobby
supported him he doesnt give a shxt about my opinoin he'll have the support he needs to get re-elected.
The only part the NRA opposed was the 3 day background wait on gunshows.Does that mean as Clinton stated that NRA wanted to keep the gunshowloophole open?
Heck NO they were happy to close it and youd have to register your own personal firearm youve had for 20 years before you couls sell it to another private individual youve known for who knows how long before you could sell it,the only difference is the NRA wanted it done (your gun registered a record kepp with dealer and called into ATF)
within 24 hours so it wouldnt close gun shows and possibly cost them money by putting out of shows their many endowment members that sign up new members for them.
Have any idea how much Lapierre makes in a year?
Ok so thats another sidepoint.
IF the NRA ever passes the new suggested by laws so that each state will have a rep affecting NRA policies in a few years they may be worthy and a fighter not a compromiser again.Until then I cant imagine giving them another dollar.
And Im sick of bringing this one up and searching out the link so I wont its in the database Im sure, but not long ago
Sarah Brady called for such background checks of all firearms transfers including someone without an FFL
Heston seconded that opinoin without missing a beat.
The 4473 forms and NICS are no less than registration.
Its awesome the NRA admits that through their own lawsuit if it but when it comes to legislation they support it.

But not all negative just Irate with what I will call the sell outs, Oh thats right I musnt forget their great logic
'if we handt compromised here it could have been worse or..
we still have our guns dont we' LOL
When we dont have them(most of our guns) the NRA will likely have 10 million members and still cry BS like
'enforcing the gunlaws ( we claimed to figh for so long)
on the books is a good thing, 500 more murderous BATF agents is a good thing Clintons got the right idea.'

Make sure your supporting your state lobby first mine was started by a man because he felt his rights were not being properly represented by the NRA in the state legislature he couldnt be more right and so I support him.
The anti's are focusing their forces on few states at a time and taking us down.When you have states like TN
with several hundred thousand gunowners and only around 1,000 state gunrights members its not hard to see why.
http://www.tennesseefirearms.com
http://www.gunowners.org (the only ones regularly calling for the reapeal of gunlaws)
http://www.keepandbeararms.com
http://www.jpfo.org (their research on how guncontrol has racist roots was sent to the NRA but never printed in any of theri magazines..??)
http://www.ccops.org

Where have most been told or heard that the NRA is opposing guncontrol and defending our gunrights?
Why the most reliable source of all
the LIBERAL MEDIA.
Ive always wondered how it would fell to stand over my own
grave shovel in hand 'admiring' my handiwork and saying alound over the rattle of the chain at my feet
'im still alive'.
 
I feel so bad for not mentioning the Tyranny Response Team
myself.
Their never at the table in the first place
to compromise or 'discuss' politics when they show up its to fight to oppose TYRANNICAL movements by the congress
city or state critters that their trying to often pass off
as 'safety regulations' which is just another way of putting the poison right under our noses.
Also I like the shirts the way they are
slick overpaid lawyers and politicians are known for suit
and ties since they are their to deceive you with a false
appearence.
When TRT shows up it seems its time to face the music
from the citizenry.
 
Ruger45 likes to bash the NRA, but he doesn't have any plan of his own. Worse, he's on record here on TFL as posting a newspaper article that had been hacked up to misquote an NRA supporter in a slanderous fashion...when confronted that the actual quote by a respected state-level activist was NOT critical of the NRA, Ruger45 wouldn't reveal where he'd gotten the libelous trash.

In any case, the NRA's affiliate orgs are listed here by state and in some cases region. Most of the "real grassroots action" happens at the state level.

Wherever possible, you need to be on your state-level mailing list. I've added in the ones I know about but there's many more. That'll slowly tell you where support is needed most.

This list was compiled by Paul Nelson of the Alameda County (Calif) NRA Member's Council from American Rifleman's regional editions. The magazine doesn't list any for the
Southeast area so this isn't (yet) complete...there's talk of an effort to do a more formal/official list. I added a few details for WA-State, MA and MI as I understand them (I subscribe to mailing lists for each of those states).

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West
http://www.nrahq.org/administration/publications/regrep/rrw.asp

ALASKA
Alaska Outdoor Council, Inc.
website: http://www.alaskaoutdoorcouncil.org

ARIZONA
Arizona State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n
website: http://www.asrpa.com

CALIFORNIA
California Rifle & Pistol Ass'n, Inc.
website: http://www.crpa.org

HAWAII
Hawaii Rifle Ass'n
website: http://www.hawaiirifleassn.org

IDAHO
Idaho State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n
website: http://www.ISRPA.com

MONTANA
Montana Rifle & Pistol Ass'n
website: http://www.mtssa.org

NEVADA
Nevada State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n, Inc.
website: http://www.nsrpa.org

OREGON
Oregon State Shooting Ass'n
website: http://www.ossa.org

UTAH
Utah State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n
website: http://www.usrpa.org

WASHINGTON
Washington State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n, Inc.
website: http://www.wsrpa.org (GOAL-WA is connected to the Washington Arms Collectors which is an NRA affiliate :). WA gunnies looking to get involved should contact WSR&PA, and sign up for the WA-CCW mailing list run by Dr. Mike Brown on Yahoo Groups (http://www.yahoogroups.com).)

WYOMING
Wyoming State Shooting Ass'n, Inc.
e-mail: wssa@wyoming.com

Southeast
http://www.nrahq.org/administration/publications/regrep/rrse.asp

NONE LISTED

South Central
http://www.nrahq.org/administration/publications/regrep/rrsc.asp

ARKANSAS
Arkansas Rifle & Pistol Ass'n
website: http://www.arpa-online.org

COLORADO
Colorado State Shooting Ass'n
website: http://www.cssa.org

KANSAS
Kansas State Rifle Ass'n
website: http://www.ksra.net

LOUISIANA
Louisiana Shooting Ass'n
website: http://www.lsa1.org

MISSOURI
Missouri Sport Shooting Ass'n
website: http://www.safewithguns.org/mssa

NEW MEXICO
New Mexico Shooting Sports Ass'n, Inc.
website: http://www.nmssa.org

OKLAHOMA
Oklahoma Rifle Ass'n, Inc.
website: http://www.okrifle.org

TEXAS
Texas State Rifle Ass'n
website: http://www.tsra.com

Northeast
http://www.nrahq.org/administration/publications/regrep/rrne.asp

CONNECTICUT
Connecticut State Rifle & Revolver Ass'n
Fax: (203) 239-2106
Northeast

DELAWARE
Delaware State Sportsmen's Ass'n
E-mail: fwrennie@juno.com

MAINE
Pine Tree State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n, Inc.
Website: http://www.mainerpa.org

MASSACHUSETTS
Gun Owners Action League (GOAL)
E-mail: staff@goal.org (There's a very strong MA-Firearms mailing list you'll want a piece of, and a website at http://www.goal.org/ - subscription info for MA-F is there.)

NEW HAMPSHIRE
Gun Owners of New Hampshire
E-mail: craig@mainstream.com

NEW JERSEY
Ass'n of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs, Inc.
E-mail: cellis@anjrpc.org

NEW YORK
New York State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n, Inc.
E-mail: nysrpa@albany.net

PENNSYLVANIA
Pennsylvania Rifle & Pistol Ass'n
E-mail: prpa@nauticom.net

RHODE ISLAND
Rhode Island State Rifle & Revolver Ass'n
Phone: (401) 861-0133

VERMONT
Vermont State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n
E-mail: kmitch8@ibm.net

North Central
http://www.nrahq.org/administration/publications/regrep/rrnc.asp

ILLINOIS
Illinois State Rifle Ass'n, Inc.
website: http://www.isra.org

INDIANA
Indiana State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n, Inc.
website: http://www.isrpa.org

IOWA
Iowa State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n
E-mail: isrpa@juno.com

MICHIGAN
Michigan Rifle & Pistol Ass'n
website: http://www.michrpa.com (NOTE: MCRGO ( http://www.mcrgo.org ) is also an NRA affiliate org, and may have merged with or taken over from MR&PA...MI residents should find out. I know MCRGO took a leadership role in the recent shall-issue win :). There's an MCRGO mailing list available on their site, highly recommended.)

MINNESOTA
Minnesota Rifle & Revolver Ass'n, Inc.
E-mail: cksecord@aol.com

NEBRASKA
Nebraska Shooting Sports Ass'n
website: http://www.nebssa.org

NORTH DAKOTA
North Dakota Shooting Sports Ass'n
E-mail: edjensen@means.net

OHIO
Ohio Rifle & Pistol Ass'n
E-mail: jmgorpa@aol.com

SOUTH DAKOTA
South Dakota Shooting Sports Ass'n
E-mail: raines@firstnb.com

WISCONSIN
Wisconsin Rifle & Pistol Ass'n
website: http://www.wrpa.com
 
Haha,
nice to hear from you again Jim your a fun dance partner.
Everyone has seen where most of the alerts about
state gunlaw proposals are coming from even on this board
and its not the NRA.
Didn try to deny much of what I said about the NRA we see.
Jim Im not about to pretend to be smarter than the likes of Larry Pratt or much less to have better idea's than
GOA I love their idea's and since implementing them would actually mean change not simply furhter compromises and losses to our side I wil continue to support them.
So what now am I supposed to insult you by saying 'JIm has no idea's of his own the NRA has not come up with' please
next Ill be having to write my own constitution to be of good character in your eyes instead of what wanting the current one supported and uninfringed.
You at the time this all happened provided a link to thcomplete article feel free to do so again, it was more of the NRA's usual BS wanna be logic saying if they hadnt supported this one a worse version would have passed.
Personally I think we'll be hearing that from the NRA reps till were cut down to only bolt action rifles and pump action shotguns but then I think we should let a few others comment on that one maybe Ill get to see more cases of where the NRA has drawn the line and actually took a HARD stand.
As far as the source hear it is again later I had time to actually find it online again instead of just in my latest
GOA newsletter but didnt care to copy and mail that to you because it changed nothing , it did not change the fact tht the NRA did NOT oppose the measure and continues to compromsie ,exscuses are self-productive it seems when it comes time to question their compromising lobbying.
I posted this link before after BLUESMAN had emailed me his
dissappointment over my not having replied at the time but I
guess you didnt see it.I know how that goes few of us can
get online as much as we like and be so active in the field.
Scroll down on this link to bascially the last article
titles 'Turn in your neighbor law' this is obviously from
the GOA newsletter so if you dont like the snipping feel
free to email them.

http://www.gunowners.org/news/nws9912.htmTo many, the "gun lobby" means the National Rifle Association. However, a spokesman described the NRA's position on the issue to WorldNetDaily only as "neutral."

But Jerry Tramontano of the Gun Owners of America, likened the provision, which was tacked onto an instant check bill, to the proverbial camel's nose under the tent. The GOA has been a long-standing opponent of instant check, he told WorldNetDaily, believing it amounts to a national registration database.

Lamenting what he sees as a lukewarm defense of the Second Amendment in Connecticut, he said, "Look what happens when you're willing to compromise a little -- you get a lot," adding that one of the law's victims is already planning a constitutional challenge.

Attorney Ralph Sherman, chairman of Connecticut's pro-gun "Gunsafe" group acknowledged that the search and seizure provision, which he opposes, did result from a compromise on the total gun bill the NRA supported....
 
In order to fight headlong on every bill, you need numbers...

...numbers the GOA doesn't have and neither does the NRA. That's the fault of about 75 million apathetic gun owners.

The NRA was a key factor in putting Bush in office and through him, Ashcroft and Cheney. Doing so will prove to be part of a longer-term gameplan as the NRA is also supporting Stephen Halbrook's attack in the courts on Emerson.

The GOA's gameplan is simply a long, drawn-out whine of dissent. Yes, they've done a good job at doing alerts on various bad bills, although in many cases their alerts have been on bills that have already been relegated to the dust-bin and aren't worth expending energy on. And in one recent case, a GOA alert ripped into a GOOD bill, there's been much discussion of that on KABA. The NRA's "Fax Alerts" broadcasts are catching up to the level of detail the GOA does, so if nothing else the GOA has forced the NRA to improve their online grassroots alert system.

But that's NOT the only alerts system the NRA runs! Remember, there's a hell of a lot of older gunnies who aren't online yet. The NRA/ILA filters key data on bad bills down to the local state-level orgs listed above, who then pass it along in direct face-to-face local meetings. In California, that means the NRA Member's Council meetings...I've been there, I've heard the alerts on bad local and national bills personally, with contact flyers being handed out. At key times, some MCs hold free "pizza (or whatever) and letters nights" where people gather, get free food, and write handwritten letters to legicritters on specific bills.

Ever been to one of those run by the GOA?

The NRA does a lot MORE than just online activism. And they've got the best "integrated gameplan" I've seen to restore the RKBA, the one most likely to work and get us further *backwards* along the totalitarian track we've been on.

Larry does some good work in online activism, yes. And if he'd stop whining and yelling "TRAITOR" at every dumb opportunity, he could have helped manage the NRA's online efforts because no question, he's good at it. But instead he attacks shall-issue at every turn even when the only other alternative is no issuance at all, such as when he fought the Texas shall-issue system of '96.

He lacks "deviousness", tact and political savvy. In the long run, he won't be remembered as the guy that saved our rights.

Jim
 
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