(OT) (NV) McDonald's Hot Coffee redux - common sense prevails

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Why I'm glad I live in Nevada. "(the court) said there were no 'genuine issues of material fact.' "

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-crime/2000/jul/11/510491397.html


Court says warning about hot coffee unnecessary
By Cy Ryan
<cy@lasvegassun.com>
SUN CAPITAL BUREAU

CARSON CITY -- Spilling a cup of hot coffee on one's self may cause injury, but the Nevada Supreme Court isn't going to require restaurants to post labels on coffee containers about the potential danger.

The court has dismissed the appeal of Lane Holmes, who sued the Turtle Stop at 2885 S. Nellis Blvd. in Las Vegas. Holmes had claimed a cup failed and caused him to suffer leg burns from dripping hot coffee.

The high court upheld the decision of District Judge Gene Porter who ruled, "The danger is open and obvious."

The case is reminiscent of the $2.9 million judgment awarded 81-year-old Stella Liebeck for the third-degree burns she suffered when she spilled coffee on her lap. The steaming beverage was purchased at a McDonald's restaurant in New Mexico and spilled when she tried to remove the cap from a cup. The judgment was reduced to $480,000 and an out-of-court settlement was reached.

In the Nevada case, Holmes purchased a cup of coffee to go in August 1995, and while he was getting into his car, the coffee seeped out of the container onto his fingers, which were burned, and then on to his leg.

Porter granted a pre-trial summary judgment in favor of the Turtle Stop, H&O Foods, which supplied the brewing equipment to the restaurant, and the Wilbur Curtis Co., which manufactured the equipment and the cups.

The Supreme Court, in a one-page order issued Friday, said Porter "did not err in granting summary judgment." It said there were no "genuine issues of material fact."

Holmes, through his lawyer Algimantas Bruzas, suggested there was a duty to post the warning.

Bruzas, in his brief to the Supreme Court, said there was a "failure to produce a warning on a product and Mr. Holmes was unaware that the coffee he purchased would cause a second-degree burn if it came in contact with his skin."

The hazard of suffering a burn "was not obvious," Bruzas said.

"Even though plaintiff testified the coffee was hot and he saw steam, it doesn't mean he was aware of or warned that he could suffer second-degree burns," he said.

Porter, in his decision, suggested that if warnings were posted on coffee cups, they might be required on knives and other utensils.

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sounds like he should sue his elementary school science teacher.

gosh steaming hot beverages could harm my sensitive skin? i had no idea.
 
It's not you jnix.
The Human Species IS dumbing down!

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"Lead, follow or get the HELL out of the way."
 
There is one thing this country has no shortage of. Stupid people!

Uhm lesee, this stove element is glowing red and I feel heat radiating from it but I have no idea it will burn the heck outa me without a warning label. :rolleyes:
 
As my old soccer coach used to say "If stupidity hurt, you guys would be screaming!" As would many of our countrymen.

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Reminds me of the movie "Clerks" when one customer is yelling about the lack of Ice and exclaims "You mean I gotta drink this coffee Hot?"

"YES! - DO IT! RIGHT NOW! DRINK IT ALL BOILING HOT RIGHT NOW!!!!!"

Sheesh... no one is forcing the poor sheople to buy Coffee which has been for years served HOT. Freakin Idiotic Sheople...
 
have you heard about the woman who spilled a milkshake on her lap? She is suing McDonalds on the basis that it made her frigid.

:)
 
Methinks we need more common sense laws like this! I like!

Anyone who needs a wanring label on hot coffee needs some drugs other than that of caffeine! :D
 
Did anyone catch this?
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>for the third-degree burns she suffered when she spilled coffee on her lap.[/quote]

How the HELL does someone suffer third-degree burns (charring of the skin) from coffee, even if it was at boiling temperature?

Interesting thing is, about 13 years ago, my wife suffered a second-degree burn on the inside of her right ankle for the same reason. She was fixing a cup of fast-food coffee on the floor between her feet, and we hit a bump and some splashed out onto her sweatsock, tucked under her sweatpants. By the time she could pull up the pantleg and pull the sock away, she had a nice little blister going. Neither of us even remotely considered the idea of suing the fast food franchise. We knew the fault was ours, jointly. Stupid to drive while someone is preping hot coffee, and stupid to prep hot coffee in a moving vehicle.

[This message has been edited by 45King (edited July 13, 2000).]
 
But 45King this is the age of blame someone else and then sue them for your actions! Don't take responsibility! It is no longer THE thing to do! :D

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This talk of warning labels, and the Ft Lewis MIB thread made me remember a sign I saw there.

"Tanks have right of way."

My thought was "Did anybody really need to be told that?"
Eric

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Teach a kid to shoot.
It annoys the antis.
 
The present terminology for a second degree burn is a "partial thickness" burn meaning that part of the dermis is damaged but not the entire layer. The current term for third degree is "full thickness" burns meaning that the entire layer of the dermis is damaged. You can indeed get a third degree or full thickness burn from very hot liquids. It is dependent both on the temperature and the lengthe of time the liquid is in contact with the skin.

Oh, and many if not most of these people are no dumber than you or I. Unethical? Yes. Greedy? Yes. Totally self centered? Yes. Dumb? No.

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Byron Quick
 
I am going to defend Mrs. Liebeck and her $2.9 million dollar award (as originally granted). I followed the case and learned this:
The jury found McDonald's guilty largely because of their arrogant, condescending courtroom demeanor and presentation. They thoroughly pissed off the jury-- not, I suggest, good legal strategy. The amount of the judgement was based on one day's coffee sales for the restaurant chain. Seems like a thoughtful decision. McD said during the trial that they had no intention of reducing their brewing temperature, despite the 3rd degree burns the plaintiff suffered. Now, I would hate to be penalized for every occasion I have passed a coffe cup over my lap, and I would particularly hate to spill it on myself while wearing shorts. In the event, McD's brought the outcome on themselves by coming into court with a "screw the stupid customer" attitude.
 
tombread, I understand all about the PR aspect of one's courtroom presentations. But I hope you will pardon my idealism when I comment that the whole idea of a trial is to determine fact, and the jury supposedly makes its decision solely on the facts.

"We know he didn't do it, but we found him guilty on account of his lawyer was a smartypants."

Ah, it's a wonderful world.

I checked my wife's standard, garden variety Mr. Coffee. It makes coffee at the same temperature as per testimony in the McDonald's case.

I really think we have the President and Congress that this society deserves. It's just too bad it all came about during my lifetime.

Art
 
Ditto what Art said, but with the following caveat: a jury has the right to decide any damn thing it wants based on anything it wants to base it on. Contrary to popular belief, a jury does not have to decide a case on facts; it can decide that the law is unconstituional, or just plain unfair and unjust. Jury nullification.

I agree, however, that in this case, the jury made a mistake. Arrogant or not, the facts of the case were that the woman spilled the coffee on herself. McDonald's was responsible for doing nothing more than what she had asked them to do; serve her a cup of coffee. I'm reasonably certain that a woman of that age would know that coffee is hot enough to scald. This is probably what lead to McDonald's arrogance; the idea that someone that old, knowing that coffee can scald you, sues THEM because SHE spills coffee on HERSELF!?!? It's outrageous! To be fair, though, it was probably the idea of some moral-less, younger family member in conjuction with a moral-less lawyer.

Fable....with a core of truth

There was once a rich landowner who was not very well liked by the people of the county in which he lived. He was known for putting tenants of rental property out for being just a day late with the rent, and other behavior which was technically legal, but showed that he was a genuine greedy SOB horse's arse.
One of his tenants was a poor but honest farmer who was well liked by the locals. One day, one of the landlord's cows turned up missing, and a search discovered it in the barn of the farmer. He was arrested and charged with theft.
At the trial, the jury heard the facts and then retired to make its decision. When they returned, the judge asked for the decision. The foreman replied, "Your honor, we find the defendent not guilty if he will return the cow."
The judge, of course, hit the ceiling, telling the jury that such a conditional verdict was unacceptable. He instructed them to retire again and reconsider their decision.
They returned a short while later. The judge asked for the verdict. The foreman stood and said, "Your honor, we find the defendent not guilty.....and he can KEEP THE COW!"

Hooray for justice as defined by the dictionary as opposed to justice as defined by "the law."



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