(OT) - (HI) Native Hawaiian bill ready in Congress

Oatka

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The fragmentation continues. Why the Hell don't they just secede? Oh, that's right, they'd lose their entitlements. "Glorifying your ethnicity" at it's finest. Who's next, the border states?
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/2000/Jul/06/localnews1.html

Native Hawaiian bill ready in Congress

By Susan Roth
Advertiser Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON — In a historic move toward establishing sovereignty, Native Hawaiians would create a governing body to control their own affairs under new federal legislation.


Sen. Daniel Akaka plans to introduce the measure in the Senate next week together with his colleague, Sen. Dan Inouye. At the same time, Rep. Neil Abercrombie will introduce the House bill together with Rep. Patsy Mink. All four are Hawai‘i Democrats.

For the first time, the bill would set forth a federal process that would allow Native Hawaiians to establish their own government, much like American Indian nations, which have government-to-government relations with the United States. The measure also would induce Native Hawaiians to formally define themselves for the first time.

The Senate Indian Affairs Committee plans public hearings on each of the main islands Aug. 7-11, but the times and locations have not been set.

Considerably changed from a first draft distributed in May, the bill also would recognize Native Hawaiians as an indigenous people with a special legal and political relationship with the United States, and a right to self-determination.

Akaka originally envisioned a two-step approach to sovereignty. The first bill would have clarified Native Hawaiians’ relationship with the federal government; the second bill would have addressed sovereignty issues.

But in an explanation of the new version distributed this week, Akaka and the rest of the congressional delegation said reactions to the first draft revealed a widespread view that the two steps should be combined.

Rice-vs.-Cayetano aspects

In addition to clarifying the U.S.-Native Hawaiian relationship and moving toward sovereignty, the bill seeks to protect programs and services for Native Hawaiians in the wake of the Rice vs. Cayetano decision by the Supreme Court.

In February, the court struck down the Hawaiians-only voting restriction in elections for trustees for the state Office of Hawaiian Affairs. But the decision did not address the programs that officials feel now may be threatened by other potential legal challenges.

Lawmakers initially wanted to introduce the legislation in June. But congressional staff say they do not believe that the delay will significantly hurt the bill’s chances of passage this year, even though there are only a few weeks left before Congress adjourns to focus on the coming elections.

Members of the delegation still intend to push the bill through Congress before adjournment to take advantage of assured backing as long as the Clinton administration is in power.

Akaka and other members of the delegation declined to comment on the new bill, saying they wanted to wait until they formally introduce it next week.

This week, they are seeking further response from the more than 80 people who commented on the first draft. In a conference call tomorrow morning, congressional staff members plan to discuss the revisions with the review group, which includes Native Hawaiians, state and federal officials, American Indian leaders and constitutional scholars.

The bill would give Native Hawaiians a year to develop a list of all individuals who can prove lineal descent to the aboriginal, indigenous people who lived in the Hawaiian Islands on Jan. 1, 1893, the year in which Americans overthrew the monarchy and seized control for the United States.

Proof of lineage

Proof of that descent can be found in genealogical records, native records, government birth or death records or other vital statistics. The U.S. Interior Department would have to review and certify the list to ensure compliance with federal law.

Adults on the list would be eligible to elect a Native Hawaiian Interim Governing Council, which would develop bylaws and a constitution for the governing body. The council then would distribute copies of the legal framework to all those adults on the list, who would vote to ratify the bylaws and constitution and elect a leadership.

When the governing body’s leadership is elected, the interim council would cease to hold authority.

Once the leadership is elected, the bill provides for federal recognition and the establishment of a government-to-government relationship between the governing body and the United States.

The bill’s language is designed to provide maximum flexibility to Native Hawaiians to set the structure of both the interim council and the governing body, as well as to answer the fundamental question of who is a Native Hawaiian.

Native Hawaiians long have struggled with this issue through arguments about blood quantum. In its explanation of the new bill, the delegation says "the Native Hawaiian community" will resolve it "in determining membership eligibility for the Native Hawaiian governing body."

While the first draft of the measure would have set up a federal Office of Native Hawaiian Affairs within the Interior Department, the new version would change its name to "Office of the Special Trustee for Native Hawaiian Affairs."

State-federal distinction

Delegation members say this was intended to eliminate confusion with the state Office of Hawaiian Affairs, and also elevate the federal office to set it directly under the Interior secretary.

The office is intended to coordinate federal efforts to focus on Native Hawaiian issues and assist in the process of self-determination and sovereignty, not take over programs administered by other departments, such as Education and Health and Human Services.

In another name change, the former "Native Hawaiian Interagency Council" was changed to "Native Hawaiian Interagency Task Force" to better reflect its proposed job of coordinating federal agencies’ policy-makers who deal with Native Hawaiian issues.

Another change in the new bill responds to comments seeking greater Justice Department involvement in the self-determination process. The measure would require the attorney general to designate an official to work directly with the Office of the Special Trustee to protect the rights of Native Hawaiians and their relationship with the United States.

Sub-head:
Hawaiian community has mixed reaction
( http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/2000/Jul/06/localnews12.html )

SIDEBAR:
Key provisions of sovereignty legislation to be proposed in Congress:
Native Hawaiians will develop a list of adults who can trace ancestry to the indigenous population in 1893, the year of the overthrow of the monarchy.

Those adults will elect a Native Hawaiian Interim Governing Council, which drafts a constitution for a governing body.

Those adults will vote on whether to ratify the constitution and elect leaders.

The new governing body will have a government-to-government relationship with the United States.

© COPYRIGHT 2000 The Honolulu Advertiser
 
The last tim anyone tried this was by South Carolina in 1861. It took one hell of a civil war to settle the issue and now these idiots wnt to try it again!
 
I am personaly pleased that the Hawaiian people will get recognition as indigenous people. Remember not so long ago their kingdom ( as savage as it was) was taken from them by american Pineapple planters!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>For the first time, the bill would set forth a federal process that would allow Native Hawaiians to establish their own government, much like American Indian nations, which have government-to-government relations with the United States.[/quote]

Somewhere last week I read that the US Govt is debating on whether or not the Indian Tribal Governments are Constituitional. Legislation is being drafted to end the Tribal Governments.

If I were the Hawaiians, I'd wait a while before getting the warm fuzzies.

LawDog

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Sounds good to me, they could knock down all those hotels.

Then send all those foreigners packing.

I would like to see Hawaii as the tropical paradise it once was.

Waterdog
 
Hawaii is crucial to US strategic doctrine. Whoever controls Hawaii controls the Pacific.

I smell a whole lot of Red Chinese and Japanese money at the bottom of this.
 
Besides the goofy government and super-high cost of living, one thing I hated about my former home state of Hawaii was the sovereignty movement.

The majority of radical pro-Hawaiian activists (who, BTW, make up the minority of native Hawaiians) advocate a system of government that can best be described as Socialist Monarchy. They also tend to be fairly racist in outlook, though they deny this.

I've often thought we should just give the radical Hawaiians back the island of Kahoolawe and be done with it.

Izzy-It's a bit more complicated then that. Queen Liliuokalani was preparing to instigate radical new policies that would have given her far greater powers and would have hurt the whole community.
And remember, Hawaiians invaded the Islands themselves. Theyr were not the first people there.

Warthog-You can't go home again. Hawaii will never be like it was in the past.
As for "foreigners," I don't know who you mean. The majority of Hawaii's population is haole (white) or Asian—many are second or third generation. We have EVERY right to be there.

Munro-You are right about Hawaii's strategic importance. But you're paranoia is misplaced–this has been an issue for a looong time.

Gotta hele on...
Aloha,
hemlock0013
 
Hemlock,
I live in Japan. I wouldn't put it past some of the more deranged movers and shakers of the political economy over here.
Paranoid? Who's paranoid!? Why do you ask that question?! :eek:
 
The radical racist "Hawaiian Sovereignty" movement considers just three percent (3%) of the inhabitants of the islands to be "Hawaiian". Hmmm...three percent of 1.2 million people...all decended from royalty, too, just ask them (under the royal system, only the royal family could own land).

And how do you get to be Hawaiian? Maybe your family being there since 1880? Nope.

A few years ago, one of the state legislators was called a haole (Hawaiian derogatory word asociated with white people, same effect as the n-word and black people) and told to "go home". He replied that he was a fifth-generation native, despite the color of his skin. That didn't matter, he was told...you ain't Hawaiian, Bruddah, so go back da kine way.

Hawaii is a lovely place, with many nice people. However, there are also some of the worst, most racist idiots I have ever had the misfortune of meeting (and I lived in Japan for years, formerly the holder of my "most racist country" title).

Were I Dictator and Supreme Ruler For Life, all the wacko racist nut jobs would get one of the little islands, and leave the rest of the Hawaiians, white/yellow/brown/green/purple, alone.


Sigh.


Alex
 
Wakal,
I agree with a lot of what you say, but I take strong exception with your statements re: the term haole.
I lived in Hawaii nearly all my life, and am white. Sure, sometimes the word haole was used in a negative way, but far more often it was just a term to describe someone's ethnic background. Many of the terms people in Hawaii use can sound racist: Pake (Chinese), Jap, Flip (Filipino), Portagee (Portuagese), etc. It's all in the way you say it:There's a big difference between saying "He's a haole boy from Aiea" vs. "F—in' haole, stole my land!"
The only people a I knew who had a problem with the term were whites who had moved to the Islands from somewhere else. They get there and all these yellow and brown people are calling them a funny name. I call it "haole shock syndrome." I also call it "whining."

---hemlock0013
 
I've been living overseas for almost half my life, and been called some wild wacky stuff. I try to fit in, learn the local language, customs, and social graces indicitive of the indigeonous people. Sometimes that was easy, as it was anywhere I lived in Europe. Sometimes it was flat impossible, like when I lived in Japan.

I have a thick skin. It takes quite a bit to bother me.

What bothered me was things like "Kill Haole Day" (for everyone else, the last day of the school year, when the locals beat up anyone white, usually while yelling "F&%$ing Haole").

Haole is used in exactly the same way as every other racially charged word, like kike, nigger, spick, dago, wop, slant, chink, nip...words that we as an American culture have come to condone as offensive. However, because it is tagged against white people, the only non-protected group in our society, there is minimal outrage. "Jus' dos haole's whinin' again..."

I don't use racially charged words in their offensive context, and prefer the same from others. We are all human beings, and deserve at least a little respect.

To get back on topic (sort of), the Hawaiian movement seems bent on tearing apart the fabric of the State of Hawaii and throwing everyone they don't consider "native" off the islands. Charming people.

Oh, and just for the record, I'm not white.

Alex
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oatka:
The fragmentation continues. Why the Hell don't they just secede? Oh, that's right, they'd lose their entitlements. "Glorifying your ethnicity" at it's finest. Who's next, the border states?[/quote]

Ayup!

California should be a full part of Mexico by the end of this decade. Of course, we wont secede from the union. Why then, all those free benefits from Uncle Sugar would stop, wouldnt they?

Lots of pequeños Mexican...err..I mean _American_, bebés might starve to death, if that were to occur.

It would be nice if, for once, these proud people took care of themselves, instead of leeching off the government teat.
 
Wakal,

As far as I can tell, "kill haole day" is an urban myth. I went to public school in Hawaii from elementary through high school--never experienced it. Same goes for all my haole friends, even the ones who went to mostly local schools.
Sure, there are episodes of anti-white violence, just as there are anywhere. (I think my current home of the DC metro area is far worse in this regard.) There were also incidents of whites beating up Asians, etc.
Again, I totally agree that the radical pro-Hawaiian groups are a bunch of racist, quasi-socialists. (Which is why one of them sponsored a visit from Commie Angela Davis.) But I don't think the majority of Hawaiians are anti-white, and I still say that, for anyone who grew up n the Islands, haole is just not a vicious term. As the Clapton song said, "It's in the way that you use it."

---hemlock0013
 
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