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Police can't take guns into pension board

Fire and police disability and retirement fund trustees say it's a precaution for emotional hearings

Wednesday, June 14, 2000

By Maxine Bernstein of The Oregonian staff

Portland police will have to leave their guns behind when they appear before the Portland Fire and Police Disability and Retirement Fund's board.

The board of trustees adopted the rule Tuesday, calling it a precautionary measure against potential violence in what are often emotional, highly charged personnel matters.

"We just think it's inappropriate to have them carrying guns into the boardroom," said Tom Chamberlain, president of the Portland Firefighters Association and a board trustee. "Who knows what can happen?"

The rule banning deadly weapons in the boardroom does not apply to those police officers, including the chief, who sit as board members and hear others' disability claims.

"We don't think that board members have the potential of getting upset as someone who may have a disability claim denied," said City Auditor Gary Blackmer, a board trustee.

Longtime board members said that at one time it was an unwritten policy that officers appearing at board hearings would not carry their weapons, but the policy has not been enforced routinely.

In recent months, officers seeking stress-related disability claims have appeared in uniform with their bureau-issued handguns. Following a hearing in mid-April, board trustee Jim Hyland, a Portland fire captain, brought the matter to the board's attention and asked that it be reviewed.

The issue was referred to the board's rules committee, which drafted the resolution adopted Tuesday.

Board members and fund administrators said they weren't responding to any past violent situation; rather, they described the rule as a proactive step to avoid problems.

"It's just to prevent anything from happening," said Officer Leo Painton, a board trustee. "I think we're concerned about the mental state of somebody bringing a stress claim. And it all goes to the increased concern about guns in schools and violence in the workplace."

Babette Means, fund administrator, said the board will provide a lockbox in the fund's office to allow officers to secure their weapons until they have completed their business before the board.

You can reach Maxine Bernstein at 503-221-8212 or by e-mail at Maxinebernstein@news.oregonian.com.

Copyright 2000 Oregon Live


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[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited June 14, 2000).]
 
That's not the only place where police are "disarmed." Anytime you see King Klinton standing on the White House steps, squintng his beady, narrow eyes, sucking his upper lip and demanding gun confiscation because the "police chiefs and sheriffs" want it, all those top coppers standing behind him, sucking the feces from his anus, ARE NOT allowed to carry guns. They are disarmed by the Secret Service agents. They can't be trusted to have a gun around The King.

Same when he's around military officers, when he has them cammied up and staggering across the White House lawn, dutifully following their Lord & Master... or any other time The King is around military members. See those Berettas sticking out of those holsters on the officers' pistol belts??

All you're seeing is the FRAME of the Berettas. The Secret Service agents confiscate the slides, and the officers do not get the slides back until The King is comfy on his helicopter or AF One.

So all you coppers who think The King is your friend, think again. He hates you and doesn't trust you. Nor, as the article states, do your other Lords & Masters.

When they tell you to come confiscate our friearms, will you do it???

FWIW. J.B.
 
"...we're concerned about the mental state of somebody bringing a stress claim."

Why be concerned?

If the officer is not mentally stable, then his claim is valid. Grant him his disability.

If the officer's clain is NOT valid, then he's mentally stable and won't shoot you when you turn down his claim.

You have nothing to fear unless you have done something wrong.

Isn't that what our government tells *us* about their invasion of our privacy and the increasing disregard of our human rights?
 
In Bosnia, the SS required every US soldier in the area to remove the bolt from their weapon when Klinton "visited." Disgusting. Our guys are in a war zone and required to disarm.

There's a story about Hitler inviting a Luftwaffe ace to Berlin to award the Iron Cross. The Gestapo order the ace (Udel?) to disarm and he refused. They went to Hitler and told him, expecting the ace to be shot for disobeying a direct order. Hitler ripped them a new one, saying "if I can trust this man to fight for Germany, I can trust him to carry a weapon around me!"

Scary when you realize your leader (not mine) has less personal courage than one of the worst psychopaths to ever live.
 
I think you'll find that this has been true for EVERY president since Nixon or Ford, not just Clinton.

And, as far as I know, absolutely NO ONE, not even Federal Marshalls, can be armed inside of a designated polling place.

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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>And, as far as I know, absolutely NO ONE, not even Federal Marshalls, can be armed inside of a designated polling place. [/quote]

Is this a federal law?

I've worked as a "judge" for my county's board of elections and I've never had to set up metal detectors. ;)
 
Mike, I guess I've violated the law cause I always have my handgun on when I vote--in uniform or plain clothes. I sespect you are mistaken.
 
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