Oppose the Bush-India Nuclear deal and UNSCOM seat

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Hello forumers, it's nice to meet you all. I would like to start my first post with an urgent message.

To oppose the Bush-India nuclear deal as well as opposing any kind of Indian representation on the UN Security Council.

Again this is another outrageous decision that was single-handedly developed by Bush and his business allies without regard to what his real conservative base feels, and it is really starting to piss me off.

From Bush's promise to pass legislation that will uphold the Assault Weapons Ban, to the situation with immigrants that is increasingly getting far worse, now we have this mistake that we could regret for a very long time.

This deal will give India a good deal of our nuclear secrets that they have wanted for a long time, but EVERY President up to and including Clinton has refused to do. There is no reason to do this, and every reason not to.

India is certainly not our friend, and conservatives have a poor if not hostile view toward that government and its policies. Giving them technology will make them a much bigger pain in the @$$ than they already are.

Also, I'm asking you guys to put pressure on the Administration to block any attempt by India to gain a Security Council Seat on the U.N. Let me know what you guys think, and spread the word!
 
Welcome Black Light!
Again this is another outrageous decision that was single-handedly developed by Bush and his business allies without regard to what his real conservative base feels, and it is really starting to piss me off.
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Though we may be from different points of view, one thing is common. Bush is anything but a conservative. His "base" seems slow to resign to that reality. When was the last time a fiscal conservative wrote this many huge checks without sifficient funds and then sneaked into the baby's and grandbaby's college fund to try to cover them?
Thanks for giving folks here something to think about regarding the India deal and other departures from conservativism.

Rimrock
 
Listen, I know you liberals have a knack for avoiding the issue or turning it into an anti-Bush fest.

Let's focus on the topic at hand, which affects us as AMERICANS.

I believe most conservatives want to impose sanctions on India, and I would support booting out their diplomatic mission as well as crack down on Indian immigration into this country.
 
Don't be fooled by the nonsense you've been seeing in the media.

Indian immigration is a major problem, and Indians here and abroad are hostile toward the U.S. and our policies.

It's time we returned the favor by making India a very unpopular country here in America (which was successful with China). India has given us lip and attitude for no concievable reason, and to reverse the policy of isolation and sanctions is a grave error.

India responds to sticks, not carrots. It's time we take our foriegn policy away from these greedy corporate types who would sell their mother down the river.

My dear friends, OPPOSE ANY INDIAN SEAT ON THE U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL. Conservatives must back a veto of any Indian attempt to gain a seat.
 
This deal will give India a good deal of our nuclear secrets that they have wanted for a long time, but EVERY President up to and including Clinton has refused to do.
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Prior to the Indo-Russian nuclear agreements, the federal gov't was sending advisors to help the Indians with their nuclear program. So, your statement isn't exactly kosher.
 
I believe most conservatives want to impose sanctions on India...
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If you believe this, I'd say you don't have a clue what "most conservatives" want. Why should we impose sanctions on a country that is our ally? That makes no sense.

Do you have any sources for your assertions, BL?
 
Indian immigration is a major problem, and Indians here and abroad are hostile toward the U.S. and our policies.
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Yeah all of those doctors and computer scientists that India exports to us are running wild in the streets burning flags:rolleyes:

WildwhatabunchofcrapAlaska
 
Can someone give a legit reason why we shouldn't support India in all their endeavors? It's not like we're giving them specs on how to create a ICBM MIRV.
 
Prior to the Indo-Russian nuclear agreements, the federal gov't was sending advisors to help the Indians with their nuclear program. So, your statement isn't exactly kosher.
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"Kosher"?

I think you understand the large difference between sending advisors and enacting on a reactor construction program in a hostile, treaty violator that will inevitably use said reactors to build more nuclear weapons.

Yeah all of those doctors and computer scientists that India exports to us are running wild in the streets burning flags
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They vote against us and our interests. There is clear Democratic support among Indian immigrants and they are unwanted and disliked incredibly to be frank. Since when were American doctors deemed incompetent? We oppose Hispanic immigration and yet support this wave of Asians?

It's time we conservatives started planning our agenda rather than reacting to whatever is portrayed on the mainstream media. Our change of strategy allowed us to win the past two Presidential terms.

If you believe this, I'd say you don't have a clue what "most conservatives" want. Why should we impose sanctions on a country that is our ally? That makes no sense.
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No, TheBluesMan, I think we know what we want, but the majority of us have not said anything for so long, and now we are standing up.

India an ally? This is not mainstream conservative thought; this is neo-con nonsense. India should be treated as a hostile country.

Listen, I understand the "China" factor, but India will be opposed to China regardless of whether we befriend it or not. India will be of no use to us against China, and has no intention of fighting a war with it. India has reacted with animosity toward the United States, and all of a sudden this red carpet treatment?

In fact, while India has been arrogantly and despicably denouncing the U.S. at every level and has been making absurd demands while criticizing us, it has maintained a very weak and cowardly posture towards China. It has supported the invasion of Tibet, and does not recognize the independence of Taiwan. It has been one of the first countries to recognize China, and fought for Communist China's inclusion on the UNSCOM.

China invaded it in 1962 for crying out loud. India has changed very little, and does not view us a friend, only as a stepping stone for its own "interests". Yet where's the tough talk with regard to China? India is overflowing with admiration and respect for the Chinese, and they have refused to identify it as anything other than a partner. Typical of its socialist goverment, whose policies we as conservatives abhor.

Sanctions must be used to enforce international agreements pertaining to nuclear weapons that we used in Iraq, and then in Iran.

What this tells me is that arming and making India more powerful will not help us at all; it only gives India more influence to counteract and bully us in Asia. Hopefully, Congress will rightfully set the President on a realisitic course towards India, that of international isolation.
 
"Kosher"?

I think you understand the large difference between sending advisors and enacting on a reactor construction program in a hostile, treaty violator that will inevitably use said reactors to build more nuclear weapons.
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You're correct. Kosher wasn't the correct term. Honest or accurate would have been correct.

The advisors were telling them how to construct and operate reactors. And the difference is?

This way, the Indian civilian and weapons programs will be divided, and we'll get more influence on their activities.
 
If they engage in a war with China, then minor diplomatic support would suffice. In terms of "India vs. China", we should mildly support India. In terms of increased immigration, that's a big no-no.
 
In the context that they avoid a major meltdown or other catastrophe. That doesn't involve us GIVING them our nuclear tech and knowhow, as well as constructing the reactors for them.

India is obligated by international law to open up its reactors, regardless of a bribe from us.

And I think we are all united on blocking any entry into the Security Council by India.
 
They vote against us and our interests.
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Says who? Gimme some facts that support that.

There is clear Democratic support among Indian immigrants and they are unwanted and disliked incredibly to be frank.
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O really? You know how they vote? Where did you get that info? And they are disliked and unwanted...by who...you and your ilk?

We oppose Hispanic immigration and yet support this wave of Asians?
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All righty then. Guess I can figure out who "we" is. Excuse me while I goose step away for a moment.


WildicantbeleivesomeofthisstuffAlaska
 
Listen, can we debate the subject honestly and respectfully? Instead of maligning each others "motives"?

Indian immigration is not a legitimate subject for discussion? Dealing with India has been long overdue, and we if don't figure out where we are on this, we will be steamrolled by an increasingly corrupt and inefficient administration.

India has repeatedly voted against the U.S. in the United Nations. I am pressed for time right now, but I will introduce sources in my next post. But we need to stir the water a little, get things started up. I really believe with all honesty that the international and American perspective on India is way out of balance, and can even be harmful.
 
What i'm hearing is more closely related to xenophopia than any real, viable concern of our dealings with India. Why would you want to close our borders to India? The mixing of cultures is what has made America so powerful, we have a little bit of everthing with fresh ideas coming over constantly. Since this thread is about nuclear secrets, lets not forget that our knowledge in the field of nuclear energy came from German refugees. I wonder where America would be if our borders had been closed to German immigrants because of prejudicial fears.
 
India has repeatedly voted against the U.S. in the United Nations. I am pressed for time right now, but I will introduce sources in my next post.
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Nice way to avoid giving facts.

WildowellAlaska
 
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