Only Military and Police should have firearms

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The silly notion that only "military and police" are trained enough to own guns is dangerous. In my years in the military, including time at some of the best trained infantry and special forces, there were countless mishaps with guns; negligent discharges were shockingly common and some resulted in injuries, and there were lost guns. In the Army as a whole, including the Military Police and Criminal Investigation Division (CID), the misconduct and assaults is staggering, including negligent discharges and horseplay resulting in deaths, murders, assaults, sex assaults, thefts of guns, breaking and entering, etc. So the idea that only the "military and police" should have guns demonstrates a dangerous lack of understanding. Remember, "military and police" are humans too, with their own faults and imperfections, including serious criminal misconduct. Allowing only them to own the guns is very dangerous for America.
 
The 2nd Amendment isn't about training it's about a Right. At one time a person needed to be able to read and write to be able to vote, the courts threw that out years ago. If you are a law abiding adult citizen you should be able to possess and carry a gun.
 
Unsure as to the original premise of the post. Was there some type of legislation proposed suggesting such an idea?
 
A big problem we also have is peoples arrogance. What i mean by this is people in positions of authority/government cannot stand to be questioned. "how dare you question the integrity of our military" "how dare you question the profesionalism of our police" seems to be the attitude had by the powers that be when these things are brought up real as though they may be. personaly i cant stand it when the people get that kind of brush-off by the "high and mighty".
 
The 2nd Amendment isn't about training it's about a Right. At one time a person needed to be able to read and write to be able to vote, the courts threw that out years ago. If you are a law abiding adult citizen you should be able to possess and carry a gun.
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Agree 100%. It is not about a person's ability, it is about a God given RIGHT. If we start testing for rights, why not start at the polls and have people pass a reading and writing test before they can vote? Or why not have a minimum of a college education for one can vote.....because it is a RIGHT, God given right, that is why.
 
Unsure as to the original premise of the post. Was there some type of legislation proposed suggesting such an idea?
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I believe he's trying to say that the idea of restricting firearms to the "trained" members of our military and police forces to prevent shooting deaths and violent crime is fundamentally flawed, since shooting deaths and violent crime already exist within the various military and police forces we have.

And he's right. When I went to the class for the CCW permit, it was put on by a retired deputy who had served most of his life with the local police force and held at their local shooting range. The stories involving gun safety that he passed on where frightening to say the least. According to one of his tails, the previous range officer who had served a number of years had accidentally shot himself, and he did it more than once.

Those who think only "trained professionals" have never experienced just how well trained, or how professional, they really are.
 
I don't know whether the 2A means it's a God given right or a man given right, I tend to think that it's man given since men wrote the Constitution but that's entirely besides the point.

The Second Amendment guarantees every American the right to bear arms and barring some sort of Constitutional amendment (Extremely unlikely) I don't see it going away any time soon.

People have died for that right and many other rights so do not let anyone surrender them on your behalf.

I'm kind of curious where this idea that only Police and military should have firearms emanates from? A bit unclear on where that came from.
 
No1der

I'm kind of curious where this idea that only Police and military should have firearms emanates from? A bit unclear on where that came from.
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It emanates from about a dozen forums, mostly news orgs (Daily News, NYT, NY Post, RT, Daily Mail...) that have hitched on the wagon against arming teachers. Only Police and Military should own "Assault Weapons".
 
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I'm kind of curious where this idea that only Police and military should have firearms emanates from? A bit unclear on where that came from.
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It's just one line on a long list of stupid things liberals will say. They believe that guns should be banned from civilian ownership, but I'm sure they don't feel the same about the guns in the hands of our military and police members.
 
@egor20 & @Auto426

Seriously? That sort of shocks me to be honest.

Not sure about all Liberals as I go shooting with one at the range relatively often though I concede that he's probably not representative of most liberals.

Didn't realize that this kind of junk was actually being floated around with any degree or sincerity but it's scary to think that it actually is.
 
No1der
Didn't realize that this kind of junk was actually being floated around with any degree or sincerity but it's scary to think that it actually is.
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Yes its pretty much prevalent, I read a lot of foreign press my Wifes a Brit and I speak a few different ones. (plus NYC newspapers :D) That's the average comment from the press, "How dare you give guns to ______ (fill in the Blank)" and only "Military and Police should have guns with clips".

I mentioned to one so called "gun expert" that if you got rid of guns with clips then a lot of M1 Garand people would be mad, he didn't quite get the joke :rolleyes:.
 
No1der said:
I don't know whether the 2A means it's a God given right or a man given right, I tend to think that it's man given since men wrote the Constitution but that's entirely besides the point.
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Beside the point? No it isn't. That IS the point ... you don't understand your country's Constitution. The Bill of Rights clearly states that the Constitution does not grant the rights enumerated therein (and other natural rights not enumerated), it guarantees them.
 
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No, you're absolutely right. The 2A right is guaranteed and I didn't mean to imply otherwise.

I sometimes get wordy and write things that are really kind of a moot point. I was only commenting, for some unknown reason, about whether the 2A was God given right or "Man given" due to men writing the constitution.

The fact that the price for those freedoms was paid for with blood definitely guarantees those rights and I wasn't implying otherwise.
 
I'm kind of curious where this idea that only Police and military should have firearms emanates from? A bit unclear on where that came from.
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It emanates from about a dozen forums, mostly news orgs (Daily News, NYT, NY Post, RT, Daily Mail...) that have hitched on the wagon against arming teachers. Only Police and Military should own "Assault Weapons".
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Oh, it's far older than that: There was a nasty little Austrian that came to power in 1933 in Germany that basicly said that if sombody wanted a gun, they had plenty of them in the military, and that he should join up!
 
I'm kind of curious where this idea that only Police and military should have firearms emanates from? A bit unclear on where that came from.
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I've talked to highly educated 'elitists' in the Army who feel this way, and I've also read it and heard it over the years.
 
"Police and Military make for more responsible gunowners." Yeah, like a retired Chief from a nearby city who managed to shoot himself in the hand while cleaning his "personal" pistol. (This guy also has a position at the state level dealing with firearms safefty or something on that order).

Apparently I'm a more responsible gunowner since at 68 years of age, with 58 years of gun ownership I have NEVER shot myself while cleaning a firearm. I have NEVER had an "AD/ND", I have never wounded or killed anyone (except for my time as a Combat Infantryman in 1968).

Elitists make my head spin!
 
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