One more time: 9 out of 10 kids want gun control

KaMaKaZe

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Survey of high school students released Monday
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Caption: Eric Harris, left, and Dlyan Klebold, carrying a TEC-9 semi-automatic pistol, are shown in the cafeteria at Columbine High School, in Littleton, Colo., during their shooting rampage in April 1999.


WASHINGTON, Aug. 21 — Today’s teen-agers, a generation that likely has been exposed to more gun violence than any other, supports tighter gun control that most other

Americans, according to a new survey. About nine out of 10 high school students back criminal background checks and mandatory trigger locks, a poll released Monday shows.

THE SAME NUMBER of students said they favored requiring a safety course and a license to purchase a handgun, and 96 percent supported registering the weapons when purchased so they could be traced if necessary, said Dennis Gilbert, a sociology professor at Hamilton College in Clinton, N.Y., who designed the survey with his students.

“American high school students have a shockingly high level of exposure to guns and gun violence,” Gilbert said in an interview.

The polling firm Zogby International conducted the nationwide telephone survey during three days in June by calling 1,005 high school sophomores, juniors and seniors.

Students in the East and South were most likely to support gun control, followed by those in the West and Midwest, the poll found.

A quarter of the students said they or someone close to them had been shot in a situation unrelated to military combat. That proportion rose to nearly half for students living in cities with populations greater than half a million.

One junior at an urban high school in the Midwest said a close friend had been shot dead while playing basketball, while others reported hunting accidents and other firearm mishaps, the study said.

While four out of five students said the government should keep guns away from criminals even if it becomes harder for everyone else to purchase them, the same number said Americans have a constitutional right to own firearms.

Gilbert said the students were more likely than adults to support both increased regulation and the right to own a gun.

“Maybe in their world there’s just a lot more guns around and it seems more compelling to them,” he said.

Nearly half the students said they thought it would be easy for someone their age to get a gun in their neighborhood, but only 6 percent described their schools as unsafe.

The survey also found:

* More than 80 percent of high school students have discussed gun control in school, at home or with friends.

* Of the girls questioned, 79 percent favored stricter gun laws, compared with 52 percent of boys. Girls were also more likely to become involved in gun-control activities.

The Alliance for Justice, a coalition of advocacy groups perhaps best known for monitoring federal judicial nominations, released the study as part of a campaign against gun violence.

The poll, financed by Hamilton College’s Arthur Levitt Public Affairs Center, had an error margin of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The story can be found HERE


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[This message has been edited by KaMaKaZe (edited August 22, 2000).]
 
They don't say which days in June the survey was taken, but keep in mind that its likely the the survey was done within a month of the Million Mom's Media event. After months of being inundated with anti-gun propoganda by all the major media outlets, I'm not surprised that 9 of 10 teenagers thought more gun control was necessary. Hell, 6 of 10 adults felt the same way in polls conducted around the same time.

Even if the propoganda sticks you can bet that the majority of these kids will never get around to voting if the trends run true.
 
BS! I know a little about polling. I have a degree in political science. I took many a class on polls and the stats presented by polls. Polls that do not state what polling method was used are CRAP. I bet it was a randon sampling meaning the poll takers grabbed the first ten teens they saw asked them the question and TA DA 9 out of 10. And what is this about 9 out of 10 crap give the number if you want me to believe you figures. I work with some high school or college freshman. Every one of them wants a shotgun and a handgun.

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Here is what I got from the story...FWIW.

These kids said that they want trigger locks to be mandatory: Already are in most cases and if it shuts them and the million moms up who cares. Trigger locks are not the work of the devil.

They also wanted background checks on all gun sales. Ok, I have nothing to hide and as long as the system doesn't "somehow" go down over an entire weekend, then I guess I can handle it. I would rather not have to do that but since it probably has stopped a few (un-prosecuted) felons from buying a gun, I can live with it.

On these two points I can see where they are coming from. Plus they have never been able to walk into a store and buy a gun so they have no idea of how good that is.

As far as them wanting gun registration is based solely on the fact that they are ignorant of the past and don't realize the gravity of doing such a thing. They need to be educated. It's too bad that our government has decided that we can't be trusted and have put all of these burdens on it's people. Now we are going to have to go out and educate kids that have no intention on listening to anything but Mtv.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A89-2000Aug21.html

“The Hamilton poll, which has no official connection with the Alliance, was conducted among teenagers whose names were drawn from such lists as yearbook and class ring purchasers".

It's comforting to see that such exacting criteria were used to select the respondents for this important survey. :rolleyes:
I wonder how many of these whiz-kids could tell you which continent Bosnia is on or who the 3rd President of the US was. :confused:
 
I pay very little attention to these so called scientific studies/survey's. Unless we are told the questions that were asked there is no way to draw any conclusions. Secondly the answer in many cases are then "inturpreted" by the surveyer. Face it, any of us here could design a survey in which those surveyed would respond that they strongly believed that it should be manditory that every law abiding adult in America be required to own a gun.

Huke to address a couple of points you made.
Personally I have a major problem with manditory trigger locks and "reasonable" back ground checks.
Manditory trigger locks will lead to laws requiring that we all "wear" trigger locks on our carry guns. House gun? Only if you keep it locked with a trigger lock. I would rather worry about the security of my own firearms. I do not need the government legislating how I am to store my firearms. To agree with them on this point is nothing more than caving in to the libveral propoganda. Most of we old farts grew up with guns in the house, had never heard of trigger locks and yet some how managed to survive.
Backgroud check? Oh, the innocent background check designed to do nothing more than keep malcriants from obtaining guns. To begin with the system is down a lot. The system is down a Hell of a lot........and even more so on weekends. There was a thread here recently about one state (IN?) that announced their system would be down on weekends due to short staffing. Does this prevent the criminal element from obtaining guns? No. It prevents freedom loving, law abiding Americans from purchasing guns. It further serves to get all of our names in a national data back. The data bank that was not to be kept but some how now is.
Please do not compromise our rights.

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Gunslinger

I was promised a Shortycicle and I want a Shortycicle!
 
Unfortunantly I am one of the only people at my school who gives a flying rats ass about politics and the NRA.

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Evil unchecked grows, evil tolerated poisons the whole system.
 
Isn't it a shame that these people (Kids) are so much smarter now than they will be when they may need a firearm...? By then they will be as stupid as the rest of us more mature folks...OK, so I admit it, I think kids should be seen and not heard, and then only if seeing them is unavoidable. 9 out of 10 of them should have been knocked in the head and the milk sold. Grump mode on...

Bear

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Gunslinger, On the trigger lock deal. I hope that you are not right about them mandating how we use them. I'm afraid you may be. I look at them as a good way to shut them up and pacify them. Unfortunately they are never going to be fully satisfied until all guns are banned. I figure that if they want to throw a trigger lock in the box with my new gun then that is fine. I may or may not use it and they are out of their minds of they think I'm gonna use one on my carry gun. I don't think I am caving in to their propoganda but just playing along with the sheep who think that it will 'save the children'. I too grew up without them and I'm still here, so I know they are stupid.

As for the background check, yes I hope they do throw the system away and I would be one of the first to sign anything or speak up for anything willing to make it happen. Unfortunatley my NRA thinks it's the greatest thing and we have already allowed it to happen. I realize that by saying what I said before that I am compromising with them, but what else can I do. I can sit here and complain every day and get all worked up over it but our rights in this area have already been compromised and nobody did anything. Now we are faced with Indiana saying that they will not allow gun dealers to call a 1-800 # and obtain approval to sell a gun on weekends and whenever it is convinient the system goes down. I hate it all. I am glad that certain individuals have been denied the right to buy a gun legally, and that the system worked in those cases. But I also know that if they really wanted one that they got one by other means. Unfortunatley the system was abused by the ATF. Now we all have a "file". I didn't compromise yours or my rights. I am just a pawn. I will gladly lead the way to a rebellion if I think it would work and that the support would be there. But it won't. We will sit here and take it forever until, before you know it, they will have taken handguns and then rifles. Please don't confuse me with the enemy. I am one vote, one voice, and I never asked for any of this either. In my first post I say those things because if the system wasn't used in the wrong manner, then I could deal with it. Once they use it the wrong way then you can garuntee that my one voice will at least be heard. Besides last Mother's Day I ahven't had any problems. All of my buys have gone through without a hitch. So what do I have to complain about? The fact that they put my info in a file somewhere to use later for some kind of confiscation? Well I have already decided to follow Mr. Heston's words on his "from my cold dead hands" so let em' come. Sorry for the rant and length but I consider myself a serious pro-gun individual and the "don't compromise our rights" bit kind of offended me.

Gunslinger, I respect you, your law enforcement service, and your knowledge, so I hope you understand that what I say is with the greatest level of respect but I truly want you to understan my position here. Hopefully I did that.
 
Huke, I am the one that should be apologizing to you. The "compromise" remark was harsh. I am becoming frustrated with the number of gun owners willing to "except" the restrictions placed on our rights. I feel that any exceptance on our part at this time will only lead to further demands by the anti's.
Your stand on the RKBA was never a question in my mind. I know you well enough from your post to know that your commitment runs as deeply as mine or anyone elses here. There was no offense intended.

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Gunslinger

I was promised a Shortycicle and I want a Shortycicle!
 
There are four exceptions to the first amendment. Do you guys think we should get rid of those four exceptions?

1. Clear and Present Danger
2. Time, Place, and Manner
3. Obscenity
4. Libel/Slander

[This message has been edited by Incursion (edited August 22, 2000).]
 
I bet we could design a Poll in such a way that we could get all the Mothers a the "Million Mom March", to say "Guns Laws are too harsh, and should be struck down" It is amazing what one can do with word play.

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9 out of 10:

Israelis think the U.S. needs to overhaul Social Security.

garbage collectors believe that high school counselors are overpaid.

Canadians think the U.S. sucks.

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Like the numbers?

Sorry to say that these kids are the future. Here's hoping they grow up before then.

Because we all know that 9 out of 10 teenagers are the smartest they will ever be in their entire lives. Come on, admit you thought that way at 16 too. :P
 
Gunslinger, thank you sir. I fully understand your anger and frustration. I'm glad that if it happens in our lifetime we will be side by side in the fight.
 
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