One Last American Ammunition Question

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Skorzeny

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I noticed that AA ammo is generally "fully copper coated."

This is not the same as FMJ or MC, correct?

Is fully copper coated ammo safe to use with polygonal barrels (Glock, H&K USP, etc.)?

Thanks!

Skorzeny

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For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the supreme excellence. Sun Tzu
 
Oooops. I meant to write "complete copper coated," NOT "fully copper coated."

Skorzeny

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For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the supreme excellence. Sun Tzu
 
Whatever the bullet itself is, the ammo in general is crap. Not recommended by anyone I know. I have yet to see anyone make it through a box (clear plastic tray rather) without a jam of some sort.
 
The only reason not to use lead bullets with polygonal rifling is due to lead build up in the barrel. Any bullet, whether plated, coated, or jacketed will eliminate this problem and be perfectly fine. As long as no lead is in contact with the rifling. In fact, plated bullets will probably have slightly better accuracy and velocities because they will slug up tighter.
 
The copper on American Ammunition is NOT a FMJ. It is more like copper plating. You can easily scratch down to the lead with a pocket knife or a key. IMHO it is like tricking people into thinking their common 22LR rounds are FMJ when they are just plated or painted.
 
PreserveFreedom:

I already assumed that "complete copper coated" was not FMJ.

My question was: is the former safe to use in polygonal barrels? Or is it practically the same as shooting lead bullets?

Skorzeny

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For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the supreme excellence. Sun Tzu
 
I have shot some through my Glock 22, but I didn't particularly care for the ammo so I am not buying any more. My Glock suffered no damage.
 
I didn't notice any damage to my barrel with AA, but it is the cheapest, foulest, most jamming, ammo I've ever come across and I absolutely don't recommend it.

I don't see how it would be bad on a polygonal rifling. That doesn't mean you should use it, however as it is horrid stuff.

It is inaccurate, grainy, dirty, and will hang your gun up without hesitation. Stand at least ten paces from any AA you might accidentally come across.

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When Reason Fails.....
 
Vaughn, you got that right. I tried it yesterday. Never got past the first rack. Changed mags, no help. Absolutley useless. Told the counter clerk - he traded me my two bricks for two PMC - back in business.
 
This is not Federal American Eagle ammunition you're talking about here is it?

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"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is power. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearsome master." George Washington
 
Well, shoot!

What am I to do? I've got 500 rounds in .40S&W and 250 rounds in 9mm Parabellum!

Dump it? Ouch, that would hurt my wallet.

Trade it? I don't want to give someone else my problem!

Shoot it? I don't want to endanger myself (priceless for me) or my guns (certainly more expensive than the POS AA ammo).

What am I to do?

Skorzeny

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For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the supreme excellence. Sun Tzu
 
Skorzeny, it looks like you're up the creek without a paddle. From what I understand, you can't even reload the AA brass.

I would suggest you shoot the stuff and put up with the fouling and the jamming until you burn the last round off. Who knows, you might have gotten that lucky batch that is absolute nirvana in a gun. Maybe it will shoot straighter than a laser in 9mm and 40, but doesn't like 45acp. Lets be optimistic.

Andyb, I'm glad you got out before damage was done. I still have some mushrooms from that AA stuff and love to compare it to shrooms from good brands. The difference will amaze you.

tl, this is not Federal's American Eagle. American Ammunition Company is based out of Miami Florida. In fact, I can only wonder if this jamming ability isn't intentional. Maybe it's a plot of the Cuban supporters down in miami?????? Maybe Castro thinks to disable our weapons before he takes over????

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When Reason Fails.....
 
VaughnT:

Looks like I will have to shoot it, then!

The thing is, so far, I haven't had much trouble. I had one deformed 9mm round (which obviously did not feed) out of 750 I shot so far.

My Glock 19 fails to feed AA ammo once in a blue moon (never with a 15-round factory mag, but rarely with the 10-round factory mag), but my CZ feeds it with aplomb.

I did notice that accuracy is awful. However, the guns seem to be pretty clean after I shoot the ammo.

Well, I guess I'll shoot'em off and hope that my guns won't be damaged. If my H&K USP Compact 40 is damaged from the ammo, I am going to be upset!

BTW, if such an occurrence happens, is there a way I can seek compensation from the ammo company?

Skorzeny

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For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the supreme excellence. Sun Tzu
 
Skorzeny, one option would be to send a brick or two my way for a thorough, unbiased, evaluation. Only problem is that I would have to buy a pistol in those calibers!

If you've got good-shooting stuff from AA, I'm surprised. In fact, this is the first time I've heard anyone state such a thing. Most folks are clearing and cleaning more than they are shooting. I know I dropped the hammer on the last round in the box and haven't looked at the stuff again.

As the recompense for damage done, you would have to prove that the ammo did cause the damage. That would be very difficult.

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When Reason Fails.....
 
Skorzeny,

You could send it my way for evaluation. Free and unbiased. I've seen the stuff at the local pawn shop, but for some reason, I always walked away and went back to other stuff.
 
"This is not Federal American Eagle ammunition you're talking about here is it?"

I've got the same question. Is it the same ammo?

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"Get yourself a Lorcin and lose that nickel plated sissy pistol."
 
No, it's not Fed. American Eagle ammo. AE is Fed's bargain ammo, but it is still produced to their high standards.
 
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