Once its star, agent assails ATF

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Once its star, agent assails ATF

Leaders dispute picture of a bureau run amok

Dennis Wagner
The Arizona Republic
Jan. 14, 2007 12:00 AM

Jay Dobyns is no stranger to dangerous adversaries.

Within days of becoming a sworn agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Dobyns was taken hostage and shot during a Tucson sting operation.

A year later, he was run over by gangsters in a getaway car.

Since then, he has gone undercover to bust bombmakers, murderers, drug dealers, gunrunners and prison thugs. Three years ago, he infiltrated the Hells Angels so completely that he was offered membership in the biker club.

Now, after nearly two decades of service, after being praised by ATF as a hero and earning national awards, the man known as "Jaybird" is battling his most formidable foe yet: his employer.

Dobyns, 45, is one of dozens of current and former agents to allege mismanagement and misconduct in the ATF, a federal agency responsible for enforcing America's gun laws and preventing terrorist bombings. More than a dozen lawsuits, administrative claims, grievances, ATF documents and letters to Congress reviewed by The Arizona Republic accused administrators of betraying their own field investigators and operatives out of arrogance or incompetence.

A 2006 inspector general's report also found that the agency was plagued by poor management and questionable judgment. The ATF director resigned amid the inspector general's investigation. But agents, lawyers and experts say problems persist, and if left unchecked, a troubled agency will continue to spin out of control.

"The public needs to know," said Kay Kubicki, a Detroit attorney and former agent who has represented about 25 ATF employees in cases against the bureau, winning half of them and obtaining settlements in some others. "This has a lot to do with homeland security."

Life undercover, under fire
Jay Dobyns is a picture-perfect undercover man.

Tough and profane, he wears a pointy goatee and silver rings on all his fingers. He is heavily tattooed. And he keeps a dark wool cap pulled low to the brow.

All this, even when he is not trying to infiltrate the Hells Angels or take part in some sting operation.

Dobyns, among the most celebrated agents within the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, has lived on the edge from the beginning of his career.

In 1988, 10 days after getting his shield, Dobyns was part of a task force chasing an ex-con on foot. Near a Tucson trailer park, the felon took Dobyns hostage at gunpoint. The rookie agent was dragged into a car as other agents converged.

Dobyns described the incident in Angels of Death, a book published last year. He said it was clear he was going to be killed if he let the crook drive away, and he preferred to die among friends. So he tried to escape and took a bullet in the back as the criminal was gunned down.

"I was lying on the desert thinking, 'I got shot before I even got my first paycheck.' "

Dobyns survived and, one year later, got into another shootout while on duty in Chicago. This time, as described in Angels of Death, he was working a sting on gunrunners. As the takedown began, two suspects leaped into a car and drove directly at Dobyns.

He opened fire, wounding the driver. But Dobyns was still knocked through the air - and back into the hospital.

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A very long article.
 
responsible for enforcing America's gun laws and preventing terrorist bombings.
They just *had* to throw that in there, didn't they?

All LE is implicitly tasked with preventing terrorist bombings, should they be suspicious of one. The (B)ATF(E)'s mandate, however, has nothing to do with fighting terrorists.
 
Reforming the ATF? That would require acknowledging that they should even be allowed to exist. The ATF has no constitutional basis for existence and therefore should be defunded out of existence. (If we can get Ron Paul elected I am sure he'll do away with the ATF!)
 
Blackwater OPS: "He should not have been surprised, everyone knows there is no honor among thieves and criminals."

There seems to be a bit of a common thread to most of your posts. I would love to know the story of why you hate the police so bad. I bet it's a good one.
 
The only way to "reform" the ATF is to abolish it. It and the gun laws it enforces and create need to be abolished.

ATF must be destroyed.
 
There's a difference

There seems to be a bit of a common thread to most of your posts. I would love to know the story of why you hate the police so bad. I bet it's a good one.

BATFE buffoons are NOT "police." They're tax collectors with delusions of utility and power.:barf:
 
Are they an executive branch of the government that acts as both executive (law making) and judicial (law enforcing) and because our of checks and balance of government (or alleged), isn't that wrong? Illegal? Reason for reform/removal?
 
There seems to be a bit of a common thread to most of your posts. I would love to know the story of why you hate the police so bad. I bet it's a good one.

BATFE buffoons are NOT "police." They're tax collectors with delusions of utility and power.

Exactly. You might be surprised to learn I work in Law Enforcement. But I am also a student of history, and when I see this country going down a very dark path with persons using a badge to strip others of their freedoms, I don't see them as anything but criminals.
 
What kind of "American" would want to be a BATFE agent?

Their "job" is to enforce gun control laws, which are in direct violation of the US Constitution. Not to mention, just plain un-American. 40 years ago, you could buy a handgun through the US Mail (no rampage shootings), you could own a fully automatic machine gun (no rampage shootings), you could have more than 10 rounds in your 1911! gasp!! (no rampage shootings), order any type of ammunition through the mail (no rampage shootings) and walk down the street with your hunting rifle (no rampage shootings). Now the BATFE's mission is to enforce the "new and improved" gun control laws, which are mostly the cause of these new rampage shootings. We do not need the gun control laws nor the BATFE. All of their services could be absorbed by Homeland Security and/or other Gov't agencies, minus the gun control.
 
We do not need the gun control laws nor the BATFE. All of their services could be absorbed by Homeland Security and/or other Gov't agencies, minus the gun control.
The only "services" of theirs I'm interested in seeing transferred are the ballistics and arson investigation segments of the agency.

There's no constitutional authority for a "sin tax" on tobacco and alcohol, which is where the BATFE got over 90% of its revenue before it was split between treasury and homeland security.* If anything (and if it were constitutional), the FDA should be the agency that restricts those two goods.

* When I last checked a few years ago, revenue was in the 10-15 billion range. Revenue from gun taxes amounted to less than their budget, which was around 600-800 million IIRC.
 
At they very least, the ATF should be forbidden from making arrests, conducting raids, etc. Such tasks should be given to the local police. That seems to be a good place to start for limiting the power of the ATF.

The county auditor doesn't raid my house when I don't get a building permit or pay my property taxes. They contact the police and let them do that. The ATF should be required to do the same.
 
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