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OK: Authority To Confiscate Guns During Emergencies Considered

http://www.channeloklahoma.com/news/9023840/detail.html

Authority To Confiscate Guns During Emergencies Considered

POSTED: 5:47 pm CDT April 26, 2006
UPDATED: 7:11 pm CDT April 26, 2006

OKLAHOMA CITY -- An Oklahoma legislator said he hopes to make some changes to a new law that makes it illegal for authorities to confiscate weapons during a state of emergency.

State Rep. Mike Shelton said House Bill 2696 has placed the power of the law into the wrong hands.

"During states of emergency, I think police need total control. They don't need to worry who has guns and who doesn't. If the governor calls for Oklahomans to relinquish their guns, the public needs to do so," Shelton said.

That was the idea in Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina, when police confiscated guns from residents even if they were legal. This new Oklahoma law removes that power.

"What's the reason of owning a gun if they're just going to take it away from you," said King's Pawn and Gun Shop owner David Hasel.

Hasel said the new law is better for Oklahoma and registered-gun owners. He said that before this legislation, criminals had special treatment.

"Why should the criminals have guns and not the law-abiding citizens?" he asked.

Shelton said his battle is not over, and he intends not only to ask the governor to veto HB2696 but also to overturn the stand-your-ground bill.

The stand-your-ground law has already passed the Senate. It would allow you to protect yourself with lethal force if you feel threatened in a public place, such as a mall or a restaurant.

Shelton said it's up to law enforcement to protect citizens in public places.

The bill is in the House and expected to pass.
 
That Guy is an Idiot

I will try to find out where he is from and notify the NRA, the opposing political party, his own political party, etc., to see that he draws an opponent with detectable brain function in the next election.

As an Oklahoman I am flabbergasted that guy got elected to the House in this State. Even in the least rural districts, those in Oklahoma City and Tulsa, that sort of attitude toward armed self-defense is pretty rare.

Thankfully it looks like the legislation he so idiotically opposes will pass, by large margins (both pieces).

Please don't judge us here in the Sooner State by that lunatic, Firing Line brothers and sisters. We have a shall-issue CCW law, a "make my day" law (someone breaks into your house, you shoot him, no day in criminal or civil court for you).

Ugh.

NF
 
Got a response from Mike Shelton

So I posted this same article last night and was also blown away by Rep. Mike Shelton <D>. So much so that I sent him a nice letter telling him why I think he is wrong about his position in the above article. I got a reply today, not bad, I just can't believe after what he said he had the nuts to send this back to me...

I believe in protecting my family too. And I thank you so much for you taking time out to right me.
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I can't help but think of the irony in his misprint. No problem Mike, I enjoyed "righting" you too.


Andy
 
If the governor calls for Oklahomans to relinquish their guns, the public needs to do so," Shelton said.
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"Hear ye, hear ye, all sheeple: You will immediately throw all your guns at the feet of the Lord Governor."

This Shelton guy is a complete moron - has he ever read the Constitution he swore to protect and defend when he took office? Obviously not.

People who think like that have absolutely no business holding public office of any kind.
 
Seems to me that collecting guns from 1/2 of households, the hassel, logging them, and the responsibility would be too much considering it would have to be a significant state of emergency and authorities would be very preoccupied AND if we from Katrina that the BGs don't turn them over anyway. We actually learned alot from Katrina and it shut up the "that will never happen" crowd....

Confiscation is one matter, while stopping sales of guns and ammo is entirely another matter. Many states have the authority to stop sales in emergencies. Remember the riots in Ohio in the early 2000s? I believe Ohio issued a curfew and stopped sales of firearms in whichever city was affected (either Cleveland or Cincin, don't recall now -- too early in the day).
 
And with the check system they know who's got them. I know those records are suppose to be destroyed, but do you really believe they are?
 
And with the check system they know who's got them. I know those records are suppose to be destroyed, but do you really believe they are?
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I'm sure the records are destroyed as required by law. What I've been unable to find out is how often they back up those records and what the retention period is on them. Anyone know?
 
What would be the percentile of know guns in custody of civilians??? Remember, there are millions of weapons out there with no serial numbers...how are those tracked ??
 
Remember, there are millions of weapons out there with no serial numbers...how are those tracked ??
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Please explain this? Guns weren't required to have s/n's until 1968 - but most had them a long time before that.
 
"During states of emergency, I think police need total control. ..."

Shelton said it's up to law enforcement to protect citizens in public places.

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Records Destroyed?

I do not believe the records are destroyed as evidenced in VA recently when the BATFE coerced local LE into doing 'residency checks' and otherwise harass firearms purchasers. If the BATFE has those records, I have every confidence that they are NOT destroyed.
 
Call me paranoid, but I think its very dangerous to ASSUME that any records or documents on a private citizen, whether it has been "destroyed" or not, is not still excessable to any govt. agency that wants them.
 
state of emergency

I'm sure there are variations form state to state, but generally, the Govt has the authority to order the suspension of the sale of guns, ammunition, and alcohol, during a declared "emergency". Along with this is the authority to evict people from their homes (for their safety).

I don't think this is proper, but ours is not a perfect world, and it is highly unlikely we could do anything to change these powers, as the govt has used them rarely, and of course, only during "emergencies".

I hate the idea of some govt agent (any level) ordering me out of my house, (for my safety) and physically removing me if I failed to comply. If a wildfire, tornado,flood, hurricane, chemical spill, nuclear accident, whatever..., threatens me, and I CHOOSE not to leave, it should be my decision. And I should accept whatever results from that decision. If they come and say go, and I don't go, and something bad happens to me, I (or my surviving family)should not be able to sue anyone for damages, because it was MY decision.

The idea of confiscating firearms during an emergancy is repugnant, if those firearms and their owners have done nothing more than exist in a location where an emergency is declared. It is just one more example of the mindset that the public at large are no better than children who cannot be trusted with anything they might hurt themselves or others with.

The mindset of govt officals (including police) is that we are all guilty, we just haven't committed our crimes yet. Or we have, just haven' been caught yet.

sad:(
 
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