Oh my, I see now....

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JCH

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I have just now finished reading most of the contents of the Constitution Society Home Page. Short of this post, I am speechless in awe and shame. As a 22 year old product of our education system, I can not find the words to express my thoughts. Our founding fathers were near gods. I wish that every citizen could be sat down and made to understand the above mentioned's contents. I feel that our present government is so far off the mark that my near gods would shake their heads and cry.

This may be nothing new to you. You must excuse me I am young and so far misguided.
JCH
http://www.constitution.org/
 
I don't think it's that they were Godlike...I think they had recently seen what sorts of abuses were possible, and crafted a system of gov't specifically to counter the problems.

Think a sec: the Brits pulled crap we can't even imagine today, which is why the 3rd Amendment to the Bill of Rights has gone totally unused.

Jim
 
I came to that realization while in the Army. Everyone takes an oath to "protect and defend" the constitution, but I bet that fewer than 5% to include commissioned officers have ever read the thing. What is amazing about the document is that it allows for changes in technology, and is still applicable today whether it be the internet (the new press), or an M-16. While I don't hail them as near-Gods, I do respect that like the Bible, the men who wrote both the Declaration and the Constitution were God-inspired. They could have easily succumbed to the temptation to set themselves up as Kings, and Noblemen, and lived easily for the rest of their days. Instead, most suffered severe privations because of their vision. They nevertheless outlawed the granting of titles of nobility, and forbade our Government to do such. Also like the bible, each time you read the document, you catch one more little passage or phrase, that you didn't catch before widening the scope of the Constitution. I wish all Americans would get off their --- and read it for themselves. Thank-you for doing that!
 
I'm not so sure the Britons did things we can't imagine today. Read the Declaration of Independence.

In it is a list of injuries and usurpations that the King had perpetrated, and which caused independence from Britain to be declared. If you read the list, you will see that many of the things complained about are many of the same things that out present government is guilty of. My favorite:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.[/quote]

The resemblance of things the King of Great Britain did in the 1700s, to the things that our government has done in the 1900s is spooky.

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"Anyone feel like saluting the flag which the strutting ATF and FBI gleefully raised over the smoldering crematorium of Waco, back in April of ‘93?" -Vin Suprynowicz

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IMHO, our current gov't has done injuries and usurpations to the citizens that ol' King George would have never dreamed of.....

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Shoot straight & make big holes, regards, Richard at The Shottist's Center
 
Our current government's certainly got THIS one covered, with the Horiuchi "license to kill" ruling:

"For protecting them, by a mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states."

And the only reason they don't violate the 3rd amendment is that they're so flush with money, thanks to tax rates the founders couldn't have imagined, that they don't have to.
 
FYI, the high nobility are descended from the slaves of germanic tribes, who(the latter) lived under the reign of a king chosen among themselves under voluntary compliance to his wishes.

The only people the king could give orders to were his slaves. Many titles can be traced to slave occupations, e.g. "Herzog" = the one in front of the army, "Marschall" = the horse attendant.

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If the priority of the archive over witnes accounts is given up, history ceases to be a science and becomes an art.

http://www.ety.com/tell/why.html
 
JCH, what you have discovered is the nature of "education". No one can do it for you (the best any institution can do is provide access & opportunity), you must educate yourself. The two most important skills one should develop are the ability to research thoroughly and the ability to think critically. Some figure it out sooner in life than others, some never get it at all, glad to see you're on your way. M2
 
JCH,

You sound like you have an interest in learning a thing or two about the people who wrote and defined our country. If so i've got a books you might like.

1) John Marshall : Definer of a Nation by Jean Edward Smith 1996

This covers, very eloquently, the history of the United States between 1750-1830. It talks about all of the Big Names (Washington, Henry, Jefferson, Hamilton, et. al.)

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~USP

"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998

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Mostly what I am refering to are the notes from the Continental Congress. That plus the Federalist/Anti-Federalist papers and the rough draft of the Declaration on the above mentioned website. All of these combined seemed to bring it all into focus. Heck, all of these combined should be used to guide our country. There are very few places where their intent is not perfectly obvious. There should be none of this bull about " Well we don't really know what they were thinking". At the same time I realized that there are a ton of people who don't want the public to understand any of this.

JCH

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FWIW, the taxation rate for the wealthiest Americans at the time of the Revolutionary War was about 4% or so. Taxes were higher in England at the time, which is why the Brits were so appalled that we would stand up to them.

It wasn't the amount so much as the principle involved. If only we had that same spirit today.
 
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