Offset Trigger Squeeze?

booker_t

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Nearly everybody knows that one of the key fundamentals for placing accurate shots, be it a handgun or a rifle, is proper trigger manipulation. One of the elements of trigger manipulation is squeezing the trigger straight back with your index finger, because any off-axis pull will in turn pull your front sight off the target and result in a missed shot.

So my question is, has any gun manufacturer, at any time, anywhere, ever created a fire control group with a trigger that didn't act along the long axis of the gun, but rather was aligned at a slight cant, such that the proper trigger squeeze would be off to the side?

I can anticipate one counter-argument to attempting such a configuration, which would be increased friction from changing the direction of motion, however, with modern materials used in a cam and hinge, or even a ball-joint (Hymend end), I don't see this being an issue.
 
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None that I know of

And the reasoning goes something like this....

Handgun triggers fall into two basic groups, those that pivot (to some degree) and those that slide. Building (designing) the gun so that the trigger is pulled along the centerline of the gun actually gives both the least amount of manufacturing problems, and allows the gun to be the most useful to the greatest number of people.

People are going to pull from one side, or the other, until/unless they teach themselves to pull straight back. Right hand, left hand, trigger finger tip, first joint, etc. the ways of pulling the trigger are nearly as varied as the people pulling it. Putting it center, with a straight line operation maximizes its functional utility for all shooters.

Also, many autoloader designs already "bend" the trigger thrust (some a couple times) between the trigger and the sear, to get around the magazine. Putting the trigger offside, one way or the other would just complicate things further.
 
I don't think I would design the trigger so that a canted pull is the "proper" pull, but I could envision a system where the trigger is jointed so that it's free to swing side-to-side (only a few degrees in either direction - not enough to break the plane of the trigger guard opening on either side.) This way, any slight lateral pressure wouldn't shift the frame of the gun (and your point of aim), and only the rearward component of the applied pressure would actually activate the trigger linkage.
 
Browning had/has a canted trigger

Browning made a canted trigger - one of a variety supplied with the gun - for their SX O/Us . The trigger face is angled slightly rearward left to right for a right hander.

I tried it and found it a little too different for my shooting. I do not know if it is still supplied or has caught on with the newest ones or not.

It might be a fun experiment to fashion your own for a favorite gun to check scores though.

JT
 
44AMP: Indeed, I agree with everything you say. But as you say, it is "..until people teach themselves to pull straight back." My thought process is why not adapt the machine to fit the operator rather than the other way around. That said, a directional trigger pull would be RH/LH specific. Not something I would invision for mass consumption, more of a speciality item for target shooting. Then again, the person who puts 10 rounds through their new gun and stuffs it in the sock drawer might want something like that as well, they aren't going to learn and maintain proper trigger manipulation.

No doubt complexity could be an issue, but many things that seem complex at first turn into elegant solutions once you start making drawings and cutting metal. Many others turn into a clusterfudge. I was thinking about a trigger bar that instead of being bent to transmit the force ran straight along the side of the grip, since the rear of your trigger piece is now traveling back and right. A roller bearing on a slanted race or a hinged joint could take up the compound movement.

Scott; that's an interesting idea as well. It begs the question, with modern machining and materials, would it be impossible to create a trigger-pull profile custom fitted to an individual's physiology, complimenting their natural stroke with no practice/training. Taking it one step farther, disconnecting the mechanical trigger completely, and using the trigger to open/close a circuit that activates/deactivates an electromagnetic servo (perhaps a plunger type, very fast acting) to break the shot. Would require a battery, but eliminates three quarters of the mechanical guts.

JT; thanks! I'll definitely have to check that one out, I figured somebody somewhere must have tried it. I did some patent searches and found very little. It's funny you mentioned that because it was thinking about shotgun trigger manipulation that put the idea in my head; from what I've seen/read/heard, even competitive shotgunners typically pull/snatch the the trigger when shooting multiple birds/clays. I'm not much of a shotgun guy but have recently gotten more interested.
 
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Colt SAA and clones have a trigger aligned to the left side of the gun.

However the pull is straight back.

Almost all of the higher end .22 target pistols can be adjusted for cant and angle in every axis.

However the triggers always pull along the axis of the barrel. Why would you want to to do anything else?

Free pistol trigger
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some interesting ideas.
My thought process is why not adapt the machine to fit the operator rather than the other way around.

That's what gun makers already do, with varying degrees of success. The problem isn't the machinery, its the hugely variable range of operators that they have to be adapted to.

Cars today have adustable seats, steering wheels, and some have adjustable pedals. And there are still a few individuals who do not "fit". One size fits all really means one size fits nobody perfectly. So, we shoot for something inbetween. The most practical compromise.

Currently, triggers can only be pulled one way, back. BUT people add in a lot of variables in the process of pulling it back. Tell 10 people to push a button, a simple flat button, that can only move in one direction. THey will all push it down. But if you measure the angle of force applied to push it down, you will see that some people push in line with the direction of movement, and others apply a portion of the force at an angle to the direction of movement.

A "free swinging left/right" trigger seems to work, but I beleive it will no cure the problem, only seem like it does on paper. There have to be stops (limits) to the trigger travel, and I think what you would find is that people would be applying even more lateral force to the trigger instead of less.

Another thing to consider, and something that cannot be solved by the gun, is the way the shooter squeezes the trigger. Trained shooters, shooting targets or hunting will do their best to pull straight back, maintaining their precise aim. Applying the pressure only with the trigger finger. These habits will also carry over (to a degree) when that shooter is working for speed, and in high stress stiuations, like self defense. And in those situations, it is done below the level of concious thought.

Less well trained individuals often squeeze the trigger with their whole hand. Usually also below the level of concious awareness. This has an effect on the alignment of the gun at the moment of discharge. IF consistant, you can shoot well this way, but to be consistant, you have to know what it happeneing, and do it the same way every time. Few do, or can.

I don't think there is a mechanical way to keep off axis pressure applied to the trigger from having an effect on the gun in the shooter's hand. Especially when most shooters don't even realize that they are applying off axis pressure.

I saw an interesting example on the Top Shot show the other night. Kid was shooting the Colt Peacemaker, and was shooting to the left. Others had shot the same gun, and were on target. The shooting coach had the kid put his left thumb against the recoil shield, to counteract the pull he was applying when he pulled the trigger. For him, it worked, and he shot very well after that. Obviously this will not work with a lot of guns, or some shooters. I just mention it to illustrate that it must be changes in the shooter's grip and/or the way they pull the trigger to correct for the lateral pressure, not changes to the gun.

Many things have been tried over the years. Some specialty shotguns have been made with release triggers, but I don't think that is a good idea for a handgun!;)
 
Learn to pull shotgun trigger

Booker,

If you get into shotgunning, my advice that I got from others is to use the joint of the finger instead of the tip that you use for rifle or handgun.

It gives your brain a separation from the two different styles of shooting. The finger joint pull keeps me from forgetting what I am doing and trying to squeeze. For me, squeezing a shotgun trigger on a moving target tends to stop or slow my swing.

That is not to say you snatch the trigger though. When I snatch the trigger, it is because I am behind the target and on the way to making a hole in the sky.

I just focus on the target and 'pull' the trigger when things look right.

JT
 
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