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It seems like anything is possible. I was using a full size XD at the range today thinking that I'd like to use it for open carry, while I liked the gun I actually shot much better with my tiny Ruger LC9 carry gun - which isn't really a fun range gun. I have no idea why though.
imashooter
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That's due to the superiority of the 1911 trigger and ignition system.
Not a matter of superiority, either way, but a 1911 type is a single action pistol with a short trigger pull and short reset. The SD9 is a striker fired pistol with a longer trigger pull and longer reset. The 1911 will always be faster at followup shots, though practice with the striker gun can narrow the gap.
Jim
Jim
Methinks you contradicted yourself James. The 1911 as a whole doesn't deserve the pedestal its been put on, however I think the claim that the trigger is a superior design is legitimate. Whether or not you care for the SA trigger, I would wager most folks generally shoot them better with less training than other triggers.
g.willikers
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Are those double taps closer together as in group size, or speed of delivery with the 1911?
Or both?
Just curious, as I've experienced the same thing especially as compared to every other design tried, even SAs not 1911s.
Or both?
Just curious, as I've experienced the same thing especially as compared to every other design tried, even SAs not 1911s.
Yes, the 1911 is by far the best platform for me too...
Its the Trigger.../ trigger on a 1911 moves straight back and forth in the frame - and if properly mfg'd it has no creep and no slack - breaks like glass - and resets short and cleanly.
Any trigger that is suspended from a pin or I'll call it a pendulum...has to move thru an arc / even the best of them still travel further in that arc to break and reset ---and the worst of them wobble all over the place. Even as good a gun as the Sig X-Five L-1 model SAO is ...it still has a pendulum trigger - and it will never be as clean a motion as a well tuned 1911 ( and I have both..)..so its easy to see the difference.
Its the Trigger.../ trigger on a 1911 moves straight back and forth in the frame - and if properly mfg'd it has no creep and no slack - breaks like glass - and resets short and cleanly.
Any trigger that is suspended from a pin or I'll call it a pendulum...has to move thru an arc / even the best of them still travel further in that arc to break and reset ---and the worst of them wobble all over the place. Even as good a gun as the Sig X-Five L-1 model SAO is ...it still has a pendulum trigger - and it will never be as clean a motion as a well tuned 1911 ( and I have both..)..so its easy to see the difference.
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Hi, ttarp,
No contradiction. A fast followup shot is one, but only one, of the factors most folks use in choosing a pistol for any purpose. Most people will choose a 1911 type for formal target shooting, where rapid fire is five shots in ten seconds, but that is because of other factors, not the rapidity of followup shots. (I have fired timed and rapid fire with a DA revolver, and done pretty well; that trigger movement and return time is greater than almost any auto pistol.)
The 1911 type trigger is excellent, but other trigger types, including striker fired pistols have, or have been given, excellent trigger pulls as well.
Even in self defense, trigger motion will be unimportant, and the reset time will fall into the time required for recovery from recoil.
So, IMHO, it still comes down to personal preference; neither is "superior."
Jim
No contradiction. A fast followup shot is one, but only one, of the factors most folks use in choosing a pistol for any purpose. Most people will choose a 1911 type for formal target shooting, where rapid fire is five shots in ten seconds, but that is because of other factors, not the rapidity of followup shots. (I have fired timed and rapid fire with a DA revolver, and done pretty well; that trigger movement and return time is greater than almost any auto pistol.)
The 1911 type trigger is excellent, but other trigger types, including striker fired pistols have, or have been given, excellent trigger pulls as well.
Even in self defense, trigger motion will be unimportant, and the reset time will fall into the time required for recovery from recoil.
So, IMHO, it still comes down to personal preference; neither is "superior."
Jim
In my opinion....rapid fire ....from the buzzer is - Draw and fire 5 shots in a Par Time of under 4.0 sec is competent for a Class B shooter ( 2 sec for the draw to 1 shot - and 0.5 sec split time between shots ) .... and its the standard I use, weekly, to train for self defense...or just having some fun / and still maintain Tactical Accuracy - with all 5 shots hitting center chest area.
But whatever platform suits your hands the best, and grip angle, etc ...is the best way to go.
Training for Double Taps ( Par Time for Class B is under 2.5 sec ) -- 2.0 sec for draw to 1 shot and 0.5 sec for 2nd shot.
I don't have any trouble meeting those standards with a good revolver either ( like an N frame model 27 in a 4" with .357 Mag ammo in it )...in double action its a great trigger.../ but draw & 5 shots with a 1911 I'm at around 3.2 - 3.4 sec --and with the revolver I'm closer to 3.8 sec....with the longer trigger pull. On Double Taps ...I'm at about 2.2 sec with a 1911 ... and 2.4 sec with an N frame 4" revolver..( but at 65 yrs old / I'm happy with that ).
But whatever platform suits your hands the best, and grip angle, etc ...is the best way to go.
Training for Double Taps ( Par Time for Class B is under 2.5 sec ) -- 2.0 sec for draw to 1 shot and 0.5 sec for 2nd shot.
I don't have any trouble meeting those standards with a good revolver either ( like an N frame model 27 in a 4" with .357 Mag ammo in it )...in double action its a great trigger.../ but draw & 5 shots with a 1911 I'm at around 3.2 - 3.4 sec --and with the revolver I'm closer to 3.8 sec....with the longer trigger pull. On Double Taps ...I'm at about 2.2 sec with a 1911 ... and 2.4 sec with an N frame 4" revolver..( but at 65 yrs old / I'm happy with that ).