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Hello everyone! Well, I've got a Mosin Nagant M91/30 rifle that's got a really bad bore from... someone... shooting corrosive ammo in it and getting deployed overseas with out first cleaning the bore! :o

Long story short, I want to make an Obrez pistol out of it:

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Read here for some history on the "obrez" pistol.

I think these guns are very cool, and they do have historic value. I know I'll need a form 1 to do this... but I don't have a trust. Do I need one, is their a way around it? About how long does it take after sending in all the paperwork?

After getting my stamp, I plan to cut the stock down and refinish it, and to chop the barrel to 7-10" depending on what I figure it will look like. I've got several crates of 7.62x54mm ball, so I've got the gun already and plenty of ammo. I don't shoot this Mosin much at all anymore, and have a much nicer 91/30 I'd be leaving as is.

What are your thoughts on this guys? Pretty cool looking guns huh? If anybody has ever done the SBR process, and tips/tricks would be greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone!! :D
 
Pretty useless firearm, you can't aim it, you cant hold it properly, the bullet is going to lose a LOT of energy form that short barrel and the muzzle flash will blind you.

Its awful because you take a long gun and cut off all the features that make it an effective weapon. The long barrel, the sights and the rear stock.

I have no idea why you'd want to do that. :confused:
 
I would be using it as primary home defense, and also as a pig hunting weapon and for CCW.

I am kidding! I'd be using it as a FUN gun, close range blaster at the range or in the field.
 
I might suggest you make one with a cut down stock (but not completely off) and replace the rear sight with a rail system that you can put a small red dot or something on. At least then you could aim it. Also, I would go with the biggest muzzle brake you can find, just for fun.

Florida Carry is a gun rights group in Florida right now that offers a free NFA trust through David Goldman if you buy a $99 membership. That's probably the cheapest trust offer you'll find, and David Goldman is a well known NFA lawyer.
 
I own three mosin nagants and honestly I think this cut down mosin is cool as heck. Need to buy an old chinese beater and make myself one. I like the one in the video.
 
You would need a NFA tax stamp. In the eyes of ATF, once a rifle, always a rifle.

The only way around this legally is if you demil the rifle to ATF specs, then reweld it, so in the eyes of ATF it is a new receiver.

There is more info here: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=392467
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I agree with part one as far as the tax stamp...disagree with part two.

What the OP has (IMO) is a "Weapon made from a rifle".

One thing is certain. Unless it currently registered under the NFA, it is illegal to possess.

See here:

https://www.atf.gov/file/58196/download
 
Missed that, but it's irrelevant.
It "would be" classified as a "weapon made from a rifle", and would require a stamp prior to modification, or it would be illegal to possess.
 
tobnpr said:
Missed that, but it's irrelevant.

It "would be" classified as a "weapon made from a rifle", and would require a stamp prior to modification, or it would be illegal to possess.
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But it is able to be accomplished...

The variation has some history in the Russian revolution that eventually lead to Communism for over 70 years in that neck of the world, so even though it is an oddity, it is a neat oddity at that. Similar to a "whip-it" shotgun to someone interested in Bonnie and Clyde. Or a Buntline SAA to those interested in Wyatt Earp (well, more of the legend).

Hell, I have a copy SGS compensator for my Beretta 92 more for Leon: The Professional than I do for actual shooting. Sort of a thing that makes people's collections unique.
 
Missed that, but it's irrelevant.
It "would be" classified as a "weapon made from a rifle", and would require a stamp prior to modification, or it would be illegal to possess.
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The ones I was talking about were actually made from 2 demilled rifles. When the actions are torch cut in 2 places, removing 1/4" of metal, they are no longer rifles, they are in the eyes of ATF a pile of scrap metal. They use 2 receivers so they can stagger the cuts to cover the missing 1/4" of metal, then weld them back together on a fixture to keep things straight.

Some discussion of it and the legal aspects here: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=518164

I still wouldn't do it, because even though legal could end up getting you arrested and take some time money to sort out.
 
I still wouldn't do it, because even though legal could end up getting you arrested and take some time money to sort out.
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It would only be "legal", if it were registered as an SBR prior to conversion.
Doesn't matter if it was torch cut/de-milled and re-welded, or converted off a functional receiver. Building a "homemade" firearm (which is what re-welding a de-mill would be) has no bearing on NFA regs regarding SBR's, they're subject to all the same laws and regulations.

I had seen de-milled Mosin-Nagant receivers some years back, "barrel stubs" they were called...
Only the front half of the receiver and barrel, sold to be used as replacement barrels. I'd never seen them as "complete" de-mills with the back halves- but I'm sure it happened.

No idea as to why this was even done, other than perhaps to make it easy to import for the barrels alone. De-milling was never required for anything other than MG's to my knowledge.
 
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