(NYC)Storeowner Outguns 2 Would-Be Holdup Men

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(I posted this in "General" but it didn't appear... :confused: )
http://www.nydailynews.com/2000-10-10/News_and_Views/Crime_File/a-83589.asp


Storeowner Outguns
2 Would-Be Holdup Men

By ROBERT INGRASSIA and JOHN MARZULLI
Daily News Staff Writers

pistol-packing shopkeeper kept his Brooklyn
greeting-card store from being robbed yesterday
when he pulled a licensed handgun and opened
fire on a pair of armed robbers, police said.

The gunmen invaded Joe's Cardville at 1625
Cortelyou Road in Flatbush about 11:45 a.m. and
confronted the owner, Ming Chen, who was behind
the counter.

One suspect, James Baylor, pointed a Tech-9
submachine gun at Chen and demanded cash, cops
said.

Chen, 43, whipped out his licensed 9-mm. Glock
handgun and opened fire on Baylor and his
accomplice, later identified as Antoine Miles, police
said.

Baylor was hit four times in the chest and collapsed in
a pool of blood. He was taken to Kings County
Hospital, where he was listed in critical condition.

Miles fled but walked into the Kings County
emergency room a short time later with a gunshot
wound to his side, police said. He was in stable
condition and was placed under arrest after Chen
identified him as the second suspect.

A police spokesman said Chen has a valid premise
permit for the gun, and no charges will be filed against
him.

"He is totally, 100% legitimate," a detective said.
"Everything with him is good to go."

Chen obtained the permit about six years ago after he
foiled a stickup at his card shop by grabbing the
robber's gun and wrestling him to the ground. Police
said he had not been victimized since then.

The owner of Parks Fruit Market on the same block
waited a few minutes after the gunfire to peer outside.
When he did, he saw the dazed Chen.

"He was in shock," said the fruit market owner, who
declined to give his name. "Imagine if it had been your
life on the line."

Charges against Baylor, of 235 Hoyt St., and Miles, 29,
of 574 Albany Ave., both Brooklyn, were still pending
late yesterday afternoon.


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~USP

"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Baylor was hit four times in the chest...[/quote]

Now that's gun control! :D
 
I'm rubbing my eyes while rereading this article. Not one negative word about the good guy ...? Not one word about how the bad guys were really "good kids" ...?

Wow.

Good for him.

pax

"The evil that men do lives on the front pages of greedy newspapers, but the good is oft interred apathetically inside." -- Brooks Atkinson
 
http://www.nypost.com/news/12897.htm

COPS: B'KLYN STORE OWNER SHOOTS
PAIR OF GUNMEN
Tuesday,October 10,2000


By LARRY CELONA and ANGELA C. ALLEN


The owner of a Brooklyn card shop greeted two
armed holdup men with a shower of lead
yesterday - critically wounding one of them,
police said.

James Baylor, 31, and Antoine Miles, 29, walked
into the Flatbush store - called Cardville - at
the corner of Cortelyou Road and East 17th
Street, about 11:45 a.m., cops said.

One of the men pulled out a Tec-9 machine
pistol as the other announced a holdup, cops
said.

But shopkeeper Joe Ming Chen, 43, had noticed
something suspicious about the two men as they
entered the store - and reached for his licensed
9 mm handgun behind the counter.

When he saw the Tec-9, Chen whipped out his
own gun and squeezed the trigger, pumping off
at least five shots, police said.

He hit Baylor four times in the chest and hit
Miles once in the side, police said.

Baylor ran outside and collapsed on the
sidewalk.

The gun was found on the ground nearby and
cops believe he dropped it as he fell.

Miles managed to flee but he later went to the
emergency room at Kings County Hospital -
where police arrested him. He was in stable
condition.

Baylor was also taken to Kings County Hospital,
where he was in critical condition. Both men
were charged with attempted robbery and
weapons possession.

Investigators for the district attorney questioned
Chen, determined the shooting was justified and
said he would not be charged.

Other store owners on Cortelyou Road said
Chen, who is married and has a 7-year-old son,
had been robbed at least twice in recent years.

They said that the last time, the robber wielded
an Uzi - and the shaken Chen later went out
and bought a gun.

"He finally got fed up and applied for the gun
and license for it," said the owner of a nearby
store, who asked that his name not be printed.

"I hope that punk dies," he said of the critically
wounded man. "Good riddance. One less punk
for us to worry about."

He said that Chen was so scared he regularly
wore a bulletproof vest at work.

Susy Izquierdo, who owns a butcher shop on the
block, said, "He's been robbed a couple of times.
I wouldn't blame him for shooting. It was
self-defense. It's sad."

She said she heard the shots and ran to the door.

"I looked out and saw the guy on the ground, he
was just gasping," she said.

"I looked in [the store] and saw Joe standing
there. He looked shocked."

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~USP

"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998
 
Im sure Jesse's on his way Pax.
These were just confused individuals after all and this treachorous shopkeeper was lying in wait for them.
This is why I dont like 9mm's
both of the attempted murderers have the potential to try this robbery again next time
on someone who pherphaps could not afford a
NY gun license.
But the one who got shot 4 times will atleast have to spend some real time in the hospital and wont be chasing anyone anytime soon.
I use to hate glocks.Then I shot one, now I want one.
Yes I know I sound vicious.




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"those who sacrifice
liberty for security deserve neither"
 
I'm not sure what to make of the overuse of cliches:


pistol-packing shopkeeper...pulled a handgun...opened fire...whipped out his Glock...a shower of lead...TEC-9 submachine gun...TEC-9 machine pistol...

The articles would be about half as long if they stuck to facts.
 
Great story. But why should the law abiding such as him have to have a liscense? :mad:

The outcome would have been the same either way!

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Try to take away my gun...and you will see my 2nd Amendment Right in ACTION!!! -Me

"I am beginning to think that not only did he invent the internet, but he invented the calculator"
George W Bush on the Oct 3rd Debate with Al Bore
 
Rock on, Chen. I hope he recovers emotionally. As for the BGs, whatever happens, happens.

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Hoka-hey
 
The comments from some of the other shop owners gives me some hope. Maybe they are starting to realize that they need to be responsible for there own safety. Ya think?



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Richard

The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
 
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