NY woes

K80Geoff

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First we get Chuckie Schumer as Senator. Then Puketaki sells us out, with help from my republican State Senator.

Hillary is running and is in a dead heat with a dirtbag republican.

Now I learn that my property taxes will go up because my local county police force has been awarded a raise of 20% over four years. Their pay will go up to $105,000 after four years. My taxes will go up over $100 per year to pay for it.

This state is screwed, leftist politicians, overpaid bureaucrats and handgun registration!

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Gotta get outta here!


Geoff Ross

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One reason to vote in the next Presidential election.

It's the Supreme Court, Stupid!
 
That is exactly why I moved out of NY, but add to it the fact that the guns I registrated legally were outlawed the following year.I could not sell them to individuals and dealers offered a third of what I paid for them.
 
I think it's time to give New York City (I believe that is the epicenter for the rest of the state's woes) back to the Indians...or the Dutch.

Regards
 
K80Geoff,

I left in 1972 and have never regretted that decision. Still have family in "Western NY" and I visit every couple years. Man are the folks from NYS fed a bunch of commie lies via the media! And consiquenty they're own views are distorted.

I'd wager my taxes in GA are loads less than your NY taxes and I sure our abodes are comperable.

When I lived in FL my taxes were 1/3 of my mothers in Buffalo and my house was valued at 4 times hers!

No wonder I don't look back! Sorry if this seems like I'm rubbing it in cause that was not my intent but........ :)
 
Oh Yeah! I almost forgot!

I GET TO CARRY MY GUN EVERY DAY CAUSE I HAVE A CCL AND I DIDN'T HAVE TO HIRE A LAWYER TO GET IT OR PAY AN EXORBIDENT FEE EITHER!

Now I am rubbing it in! :D

PS; We have NY Republicans down here too. They're called Democrats! NY Democrats are called Commies here! And they won't let me post what we call Hillery here! :D

[This message has been edited by CoastieN70 (edited July 27, 2000).]
 
Sorta brings up the larger question: Are geographic areas of the country becoming more politically polarized? It seems that a critical mass of "liberal/socialists" now dominate politics, not only in New York, but in many areas of the country. When the "conservative/libertarians" get fed up and leave, many head for areas friendly to their beliefs, such as the mountain West, the Southwest, or the Old South. There is a growing resentment among these people, the "natives" and the "refugees" that the Feds, cheered on by eastern liberal media, are steadily eroding the rights (property and gun) that some have fled West/South to preserve. To sketch it out, why should a hostile and arrogant BLM/ATF, cheered on by the Boston Globe, "advised" by the Sierra Club/HCI, have the authority to halt development of private property in Wyoming, to please some NYC granola-cruncher who's never been west of the Hudson?

The power base of these fascists live in the hives and warrens of Northeast and Left Coast. Their supporters in the electorate are invincibly ignorant about guns, property rights, and capitalism in general. The are (correctly) viewed as hostile to the traditional values upon which this country was founded. How long can these increasingly polarized camps continue to coexist under the same national government?

As long as there DO exist States where Constitutionalist hold sway, and as long as the Feds ARE held in check, then it is possible for these "Constitutionalist enclaves" to provide refuge for us. When either of those conditions is not true, watch out.
 
Geoff, you *do* have an option: John Clifton. The way it sounds to me, you're gonna take it up the wahoo whether you vote for Hillary or the RINO opposition. So ya might as well vote for the BEST person in the race. ;)

Or just get the hell out of Noo Yawk and let the socialists rot in their own sewage.
 
Hillary should be thrown out of NY!!!!

She called a Radio station in Erie, PA thinking it was Erie NY.. She went on and on about what she would do for NY if elected, how she cared about NY, ect, ect!!!! The best part is that the Guy giving the interview from that Station NEVER clued her in!!! Really shows you how little she cares about of knows about NY.

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Republican Senator in NYS legislature said a poll was taken in state and that 75% wanted more gun control. What questions were asked?
Cow pies says I! There is little difference between Georgi Patakski and Mario "Karl Marx"
Cuomo! Bruno the leader of the state senate folded like a cheap camera to our weasel faced empty suit governor!
We are fighting the liberal scum as best we can. I'd suggest you all throw up barricades to keep the NY liberals at bay!
 
There should be ONLY one meaning to "Gun Control" = Being able to hit your target!

Simple enough, and true!

So I take it that 75% of people in NY, think that they are NOT able to as of yet able use a gun to the highest possible degree of marksmanship they desire.

That would make sense, seeing how I am a Expert marksman, yet I can do better!

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Well, I am a deputy from NY state, and I gotta tell ya, I know of NO county in NY where the deputies are making over a 100K a year. That claim is obviously in error. I don't know if you read the figure wrong, are taking the total salary over the contract life, are lumping in cost of benefits on top of salary..I can't say. However, in the spirit of fairness, let me know what county you live in; our contract is up this year, and I sure would like to argue the case that our salary should be over 100k /year(sarcastic here). The last contract was a 5 year deal; we gave up holiday pay,call in pay, shift differential, and wound up with pay increases of something like 0% 1% 2% and 2% if I remember correctly. Result being that we are now about 10000 behind similar agencies in our county. Thank God inflation stayed down, or we woulda been screwed.
 
TCSD1236.

I live in Suffolk County. Our county PD is very highly paid. Second only to Neighboring Nassau county.

The figures came from the local TV news. I do not have a link for this info.

NYC continually uses the local salaries when their contract is up, pointing out the great disparity in salaries between LI County police and the city cops, who have a thankless job and probably are underpaid.


Geoff Ross

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One reason to vote in the next Presidential election.

It's the Supreme Court, Stupid!
 
http://www.newsday.com/coverage/current/news/wednesday/nd9715.htm

Pay Hike for Police
Four-year, 20 percent raise likely to boost Suffolk taxes

by Andrew Metz
Staff Writer

A contract arbitration panel has broken a stalemate between Suffolk and its police officers, boosting salaries that were already among the highest in the nation and prompting an all but inevitable double-digit tax increase next year.

The decision will give Suffolk officers less than the 5.5 percent annual raises they sought but grants them a nearly 20 percent hike over four years, vaulting the average pay to roughly $105,000 by 2003.

Allowances for cleaning bills, uniforms, night work and special assignments were also increased as part of an arbitration, which has left county officials trying to figure out how to comply with tax and spending caps while imposing the biggest tax surge in recent memory for residents in the five western towns protected by the police.

Average property tax bills in Babylon, Islip, Brookhaven, Smithtown and Huntington will be about $133 more next year, according to county estimates on the proposed 20 percent tax hike.

"We are disappointed, and now we have to deal with it," said County Executive Robert Gaffney, whose administration had allocated only enough money to cover 2 percent raises this year and now is predicting at least a $15 million hole. During just the first two years of the contract, the county will need to raise at least $60 million to pay for the raises.

In Suffolk, most police expenses are paid out of a police district fund, and budget experts said yesterday that there was no way to cut from this pot without laying off officers. And they said there was little room to trim from the $1.3-billion general fund, which supports health services, parks and other programs.

However, under county law, tax and spending increases for discretionary items such as police are capped at 4 percent, unless 14 of the 18 legislators agree to pierce the limit.

"It definitely puts the county executive in very difficult circumstances," said Frederick Pollert, director of the legislature's budget review office. "He is going to have to come up with a mechanism to comply with the caps and fund police services, and it is going to be a very difficult task." Furthermore, officials predicted the award, which was disclosed yesterday, will discourage future contract negotiations because unions can count on generous arbitration decisions.

The large hike also will continue a pattern in which Suffolk and Nassau officers have leapfrogged each other through a series of steadily increasing arbitrator awards.

"How do you sit down at the bargaining table when binding arbitration gives a union numbers like this?" Gaffney asked.

Under the award, though, the county won some substantial concessions. The current drug testing policy will be expanded to include alcohol testing, and officers hired after July 1, 2000, will start off with $10,000 cut from their base pay. The starting salary is now about $45,000.

Kenneth Weiss, the county budget director, said it is unclear from the arbitrator's report what the long-term impact of this reduction will be, but it could at least save $1 million on the next 100 officers hired.

Newly appointed Chief of Department Philip Robilotto said the department plans to cut overtime and make more jobs civilian ones to reduce spending.

In a written statement, Jeff Frayler, president of the police union, said, "We feel it's a fair award." The union representative on the three-member arbitration panel, Ron Davis, said the new contract is in the same "ballpark" as other neighboring departments-a factor the panel considered.

The Suffolk contract is retroactive for this year, calling for a 4.6 percent increase. In 2001, the officers pay would rise 4.75 percent and in the final two years 4.5 percent. Overall, this will jump the base pay from $70,659 to $84,543-not including overtime and extra stipends that are being boosted as well, according to county figures.

Davis, a Hauppauge attorney, said the police aren't to blame for tax increases. The county "had a fiduciary responsibility to look around. Who has settled a 2 percent contract in New York State and in this area?" However, Gaffney's chief deputy, Eric Kopp, disputed this, saying that budgeting any more than 2 percent could have opened the door for an even larger award. "It is sort of a damned if you don't, damned if you do scenario," he said. "By having 2 percent in there, at least we cushion the blow somewhat." Jerry Markon contributed to this story
 
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