NY:City avoids botcott by gunmakers

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http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?t10405832From: News and Views | City Beat |
Tuesday, September 26, 2000

City Buyers Resist
Gunmakers Boycott


By FRANK LOMBARDI
Daily News Staff Writer

ity Hall's top purchasing official yesterday tried to shoot down a proposed list of gunmakers who, under certain circumstances, would be barred from selling their products to the city.

Claude Millman, director of the Mayor's Office of Contracts, promptly drew return fire from City Council members who want to use a boycott as leverage to force manufacturers to make and distribute safer guns.

"This is a minor thing to do," Councilwoman Kathryn Freed (D-Manhattan) told Millman at a City Council hearing. "I'm shocked you wouldn't agree to it."

The city spent at least $3.7 million in the past fiscal year to buy firearms and ammunition just for the Police Department, according to figures obtained by the Council's Committees on Contracts and Fire and Criminal Justice Services.

Backers of the proposed boycott want to force gun manufacturers to sign a national safety compact advocated by federal Housing and Urban Development Secretary Andrew Cuomo. The compact would require manufacturers to make safer guns and to impose stricter supervision on their dealers and distributors.

At Mayor Giuliani's direction, the city filed its own damages suit against gun manufacturers in June. But Councilman Bill Perkins (D-Manhattan) noted that the city is still buying guns and ammunition from several manufacturers it is suing for unsafe practices. "Isn't there something odd to you about this?" Perkins prodded Millman, who repeatedly restated his opposition to a boycott list.

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Personally I wish it would have happend maybe that would cause some of the gunmakers to stop selling the cities and states (NYC)
that are suing theirs butt's like their little children who wont play if they dont get their way.
Officers would still be able to buy off duty
theyd simple refuse business to the police departments.
Its still a great minority who are suing them so as yet I wouldnt see it bankrupting them or giving traitor and wesson a great advantage.
Comments?
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Personally, I think this boycott idea is backwards. IOW, instead of NYC boycotting the gunmakers, the gunmakers ought to boycott NYC. Why do business with someone at the same time that he's knifing you in the back?

My $0.02.
 
I wanna hear what the police union reps have to say about this! Wonder what the city wants to tell the cops?
"Look, I know your men were trained on Glocks, but we have a political point to make here. It's a matter of priorities!"
 
I have been suggesting the reverse boycots since joining the board. Unfortunately MANY gunmakers are not in it for the right reasons, but rather they are in it for the $$. The same goes to many gunshops around the country. I would love nothing better than seeing regular joes shun government employees like they were the plague. Gun makers should not serve cities involved in law suits against them. No warranty work, no spare parts, no price discounts, no armorer training/certification;NOTHING. Same goes for private sector, no cops allowed to shoot at ranges, no gunsmithing service, no ammo sales, no free lunch, no free donuts. when ever you encounter a .gov employee act like they have the plague cause they DO.

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Taz: Agreed, they shouldn't sell or deal with governments attacking them. I expect, however, that if they followed that advice, they'd be hauled into court and lose fast; Remember, the government makes the rules, interprets the rules, and enforces the rules. Somehow it usually works out that if you do something that annoys the government, you've violated a rule...

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Thats one reason I only suggested a few.
A gunmakers couldnt fight the feds funds but potentially one states or a few cities especially if joined by a few other makers like Beretta.
Glock is after all boycotting MD apparently.
But as details come clearer it will be interesting to see if their are any exceptions to the FBI or LEO's operating in that state what would not have had to use guns 'safely' modified with the standards the AG was pushing for.
Such men should be shot to death for disarming and causing the death of so many americans.
Unfortunatly and Jeff Snyder put it we are quite a nation of cowards.
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Gun & Ammo makers are companies, of course they exist to turn a profit. That's why I suggest that every weapon and box of ammo they sell to a lawsuit city ought to have an extra 50% markup for "legal fees". It's defensible as a legitimate cost of doing business in those locations. When an NYPD cop's Glock costs them $1200, they'll get the message.
 
I suggested this very idea on another thread and got burned for it. I think gun manufacturers should boycott cities that sue them, states that require rediculous safety requirements, and the like. For one thing, the gun buyers out there who aren't participating in this political struggle (I know everyone here IS) would throw a fit if they can't buy what they want because the manufacturer won't sell in their city. The cities themselves would be hurt if their police couldn't get the best equipment, and it would be hard to sue a company that stopped selling weapons in your city for criminal negligence--makes the company look like its adressing the issue without frivolous lawsuits.
 
You may recall, after the consumer boycott of Sleazy & Wormwood began, the FTC announced an investigation of the gun makers for allegedly colluding to generate a boycott against a competitor. Restraint of trade, don't you see. As it happens, this boycott was pushed by gun-rights activists, not gun makers, so the investigation was simply another petty harassment.

For a boycott of litigious cities by gun makers to work, the gun makers _would_ have to get together and agree to join in a boycott. Otherwise one manufacturer might boycott, say, New Orleans, only to have another one slip in and get all the business. Individual action won't work, and collective action brings another lawsuit from the government for collusion in restraint of trade!

--The Beez
 
If NYPD cops were armed with a SW Sigma like a friend of mine's, Diallo would be a happy living man today and the cops would still be trying to get their guns to fire.

Let them Shoot Sigmas - or at least try to!
 
I would love to see the manufacturers tell these cities, such as NYC, to, shall we say, 'FO'.

Unfortunately, I don't think they have the financial resources or cojones to do it.

Too bad. If they did, I'd wager that LEO's and their unions would bring these cities to their knees, and this crap would hit the fan. A lot of these cowardly city councils need a cold dose of reality.

Regards from AZ

[This message has been edited by Jeff Thomas (edited September 28, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAZ:
I have been suggesting the reverse boycots since joining the board. Unfortunately MANY gunmakers are not in it for the right reasons, but rather they are in it for the $$. The same goes to many gunshops around the country. I would love nothing better than seeing regular joes shun government employees like they were the plague. Gun makers should not serve cities involved in law suits against them. No warranty work, no spare parts, no price discounts, no armorer training/certification;NOTHING. Same goes for private sector, no cops allowed to shoot at ranges, no gunsmithing service, no ammo sales, no free lunch, no free donuts. when ever you encounter a .gov employee act like they have the plague cause they DO.

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I agree with the manufacturers/gun shops, etc. refusing to deal with cities that are suing them. But I do not understand why not dealing with individual LEOs. I cannot control what the city council does. Why should I suffer for their stupidity? Do I as an LEO not have a right to buy a gun or shoot on a range just as you do?
 
Boy that makes a lot of sense, take out your frustration's on the poor LEO trying to survive in this goofy legal/political climate.

Sure, we'll just bring our local politicians to their knee's, us and our union's. Whom half the time are in Bed with the very Politicians your whining about. Listen I'll call my pal the mayor and tell him to back off if it will make you feel better.

We have less political pull then you do cause we have less political rights then you do. Im a cop and I bet I belong to more pro-gun organizations then you do, and, give them more money, and, have never missed a vote.
But its so easy to attack one group aint it..........WG6
 
Welll copper whos trying to take away your gun, whos trying to limit the rounds you can carry to defend yourself with whos trying to tell you how long the barrel on the weapon you need to quickly round corners with???
We need more police like you that do care and are involved.
But all Im saying is what were not suggesting disarm the police by any means and youll still be able to walk in after work and buy a gun, were saying when the police department of lets say Louissianna goes to get new guns that glock or beretta wont sell them any or that suddenly their prices have gone up.
How does that affect you as an individual LEO
maybe it will as a taxpayer in that the cities will likely just pass the additional costs onto us.
And the first few commetns should really be aimed at policemen are too 'liberal' too be involved the fight for our rights as you are.
Thank you for all of your help.
I think the NRA sucks in the long run theyll likely get money passed to make sure officers like yourself are specifically trained to enforce all kinds of gunlaws even you didnt know were on the books
but hey thats better than new ones........

wait whatd I say????
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