Nutter defiantly signs five gun laws

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Nutter defiantly signs five gun laws
Council's measures appear to fly in the face of state law and legal precedent. The NRA says it will sue.
By Jeff Shields

Inquirer Staff Writer

Mayor Nutter likened himself and City Council members yesterday to the band of rebels who formed this country as he signed five new gun-control laws that defy the state legislature and legal precedent.
> "Almost 232 years ago, a group of concerned Americans took matters in their own hands and did what they needed to do by declaring that the time had come for a change," Nutter said as he signed the bills in front of a table of confiscated weapons outside the police evidence room in City Hall.

> "We are going to make ourselves independent of the violence that's been taking place in this city for far too long," he said.

> The five laws - called everything from unconstitutional to criminal by critics - do the following:

> Limit handgun purchases to one a month.

> Require lost or stolen firearms to be reported to police within 24 hours.

> Prohibit individuals under protection-from-abuse orders from possessing guns if ordered by the court.

> Allow removal of firearms from "persons posing a risk of imminent personal injury" to themselves or others.

> Outlaw the possession and sale of certain assault weapons.

> Nutter said he would begin to enforce the laws immediately, with the exception of the one-gun-a-month requirement, which takes effect in six months.

> He and Council are in for a fight, however. The city has tried and failed for three decades to buck the 1974 state law that reserves gun regulation to the state legislature. The state's preeminence appeared to be cemented in a 1996 Supreme Court ruling that allowed the legislature to prevent Philadelphia and Pittsburgh from enacting local gun laws.

> Recent efforts include a 2005 referendum in which city voters, by a 4-1 ratio, demanded that the state allow the city to pass its own gun laws. Council members Darrell L. Clarke and Donna Reed Miller sponsored a set of gun-control measures bills last year, then sued the legislature to allow them to move forward. That case is pending.

> National Rifle Association spokesman John Hohenwarter said he expected the organization to sue "within a short time frame."

> Kim Stolfer, vice chairman of the Pennsylvania Sportsmen's Association's legislative committee, said the organization was considering its legal options and suggested that the enactment of the laws was a criminal act.

> "He's committing five misdemeanor crimes," Stolfer said. "What kind of message is he sending when he and City Council are willing to commit crimes for issues that are not going to work?"

> Nutter and Council are not likely to find a great deal of support in the legislature.

> State Representative John M. Perzel (R., Phila.) said through a spokesman that the laws were unconstitutional. House Speaker Dennis M. O'Brien (R. Phila.) did not return a call for comment, and State Sen. Vincent J. Fumo (D., Phila.) declined to comment.

> Even the city's fiercest proponent of stricter gun laws in the legislature, Democratic Rep. Dwight Evans, offered only lukewarm support.

> Evans spokeswoman Johnna Pro said: "No one . . . feels the frustration" of city leaders more than Evans, so he would not criticize them.

> But Evans, she said, also is a leader in the House of Representatives and "believes that everyone needs to allow the process to work, even though the process, at times, may be excruciatingly slow and incredibly unresponsive."

> Phil Goldsmith, president of the gun-control advocacy group CeaseFire PA, said "it's worth trying" to enact and test the laws.

> "It's a shame the city has to do something like this because the legislature has failed to exercise its responsibilities," Goldsmith said.

> Council members Clarke and Miller pared their package down from nine bills, including two that would create registries of gun sales, to the five that they say would stand a constitutional challenge.

> Nutter embraced the idea of taking "direct action" to challenge a legal status quo to protect city residents.

> "If we all sat around bemoaning what the law was on a regular basis," Nutter said. "I'd probably still be picking cotton somewhere as opposed to being mayor of the city of Philadelphia."

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Philadelphia and PA residents, important

Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter went ahead yesterday and signed into law 5new anti gun bills against state law.

On the surface, these laws are illegal because they violate the state of PA's constitution and the Uniform Firearms Act, which is the true regulator of firearm laws in PA, including Philadelphia. However, Nutter expects these laws to be enforced immediately after they are signed in.

Here in a nutshell is what the laws consist of.

1. 080018-A Prohibited Possession, Sale, Transfer of Firearms by Persons Subject to Protection from Abuse Orders

http://webapps.phila.gov/council/attachments/5080.pdf

2. 080032-A Reporting Lost or Stolen (victimized twice law)

http://webapps.phila.gov/council/attachments/5081.pdf

3. 080035-A One Gun A Month

http://webapps.phila.gov/council/attachments/5083.pdf

4. 080017 Removal of Firearms From Persons Posing Risk

http://webapps.phila.gov/council/attachments/4733.pdf

5. 080033 Assault Weapons Ban

http://webapps.phila.gov/council/attachments/4748.pdf

Be careful when entering the city for any reason. If I read correctly, one of the provisions in the above laws would ban hollow point or SD type ammunition.

Gunowners currently have legal weight, but I wouldn't want to be picked up and have to go to trial to win a moral victory, only to be left homeless, and downtrodden for the rest of my life.
 
Funny ammoeater, that at least PA residents can still "pack" in Philadelphia, whereas your state is much worse on private citizen's rights and not any less dangerous in certain areas.

Anyway, I started a thread in L&P, maybe a mod can merge them.

I for one am not obeying any of these new "laws". As of right now, I am a "criminal" under those new "laws" for the types of guns and ammunition I own.
 
Of course the criminal element will immediately begin to comply with these new laws since the 'always' obtain their weapons legally...

The persons posing risk is the most frightening of these laws IMO since the police and judges have the authority to determine who is a 'risk' and use that as a pretense to consfiscate firearms.
 
How do the laws get voided? Automatically, by court challenge, state AG, or what?

From everything that I've read, they are automatically "void" because it was illegal for the mayor and the Philadelphia city council to pass their own legislation in the first place.

I have spoken to many gun shops in the city and right outside of the city who have a lot of city customers and they all told me that they are continuing business as usual.

We as citizens can actually file a criminal complaint against the mayor and the councilmembers but I'm not exactly sure of the process just yet.

From what I hear, lawsuits are already in place against the city.
 
Most of the time I have seen those kind of laws passed in cities with violent crime problems, they all seem about the same with one more or less measure. Nothing changes. No gain comes from it that can be seen, that I can discern. Just gets him points with his constituents that are like minded. Why don't they get more police and apply more pressure like Rudy did, and get results?
 
I'm reading on PFOA that you can file charges against Nutter. DO IT! If you are a PA resident and/or have a permit to carry ($26 by mail out of Centre County) you can file a criminal complaint against him.
 
Another grandstanding stunt...

Turn the Philadelphia PD Highway Patrol loose on the city.....they still around?...I've gotten a few wacks from them in my day and it taught me a lot:D

WildpavlovswhippingboyAlaska TM
 
Turn the Philadelphia PD Highway Patrol loose on the city.....they still around?...I've gotten a few wacks from them in my day and it taught me a lot


You mean the ones with the jodpurs, jackboots, leather jackets and storm trooper like hats? I grew up in Philly and knew better than to say anything but "yes sir, officer" to those guys. One look at them and you were intimidated. Today's baseball cap wearing police just don't have the same effect. The police under Frank Rizzo as Chief of Police, then Mayor really could "enforce" the law.

Nutter is another Milton Street, worthless loser.
 
You mean the ones with the jodpurs, jackboots, leather jackets and storm trooper like hats? I grew up in Philly and knew better than to say anything but "yes sir, officer" to those guys

I didn't grow up in Philly and didn't know better.

Ow. But I did deserve it and it beat a date with the Court...few lumps vs hiring a lawyer...gimme some lumps :)

WildowAlaska TM
 
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