Nuances in the SW deal - barrel and group

Glenn E. Meyer

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The deal is a fascinating read.

Did you catch the bit about barrel length under 3" being forbidden unless the gun can
shoot a 1.7" group.

Now on a good day, I can fire a touching group with my 642 at 10 yrds.

Wonder how they came to this figure?

Trying to cover their j frame snubbie ass?
 
If you read on a little further, it also talks about a minimum height & length for pistols, combined they must be no more than 10 inches & no more than 4" in height and 6" in length UNLESS they have the following average group diameters (w/ 5 shots at each distance):

1.7" @ 7 yards
3.9" @ 14 yards
6.3" @ 21 yards.

I shoot my autauga .32 & kel-tec P32 at very short ranges - 15 feet or less as that would probably be the maximum distance I would ever need to shoot one at a BG.
Are these type pistols (including seecamp & guardian) capable of this accuracy? (certainly not by me but I don't claim to be a particularly good shot).
I realize these companies are not a party to the agreement but if they were ever forced into it, could these guns meet these accuracy standards?
 
Why worry about the deal. Reject it by rejecting S&W!! :)

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BOYCOTT SMITH AND WESSON!!!!!
The only justice for a traitor is at the end of a rope!!!!
Off my meds (quit smoking), armed to the teeth, and loose on an unsuspecting society!!!
 
Not worrying about it - just interested
in understanding the sellout.

It says the rules don't extend to old designs
unless 8 companies come across and then all guns go smart.

So they want to keep selling the old stuff.

But NOT to me.
 
I read that all of S&W current guns meet these standards. I guess this part is in the interest of keeping those dangerous Saturday night specials off the street.

If I were a dealer the following part of the agreement would concern me greatly since it seems to be a defacto admission of liability for the actions of the purchaser. It also creates a deep pocket situation which encourages lawsuits.

"Part II.A.1.h, below. c.Where available, carry insurance coverage against liability for damage to property and for injury to or death of any person as a result of the sale, lease, or transfer of a firearm in amounts appropriate to its level of sales, but at a minimum no less than $1 million for each incident of damage, injury or death."

It would also open dealers up to predatory lawsuits filed on contingency fee by plantiffs attorneys, 30-50% of $1 million is a significant reward for an attorney.

Smith & Wesson wants to share the pain of lawsuits with the small dealer.

This type of insurance would be incredibly expensive if it can even be found,
No insurer wants to write a known loss in progress, which is exactly what any dealer in business for any length of time would be since he has no control of the guns final disposition (theft, resale to criminals).
 
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