NRA GETS IT RIGHT -- Will you help?

Gary H

New member
Yesterday my copy of "American Rifleman" arrived with the telephone number and Email address of a local pro-Second Amendment contact. What a great way to organize. I encourage all of you who have yet to act; get involved and do it now. Forget the call to take up arms. Take up Emails, check books and your time. That is what will protect you and your family.

Yesterday, I took my girlfriend to register her to vote. I take the time to talk issues and educate her. How many do you know? If every NRA member got five people to the polls, that would make for a landslide. Get involved and forget about defending your rights. How about offending your rights. Remember that the best defense is a good offense. Why should we always be on the defensive. That means that the other side sets the agenda and we just respond. That is the recipe for defeat! Go for it now!
 
And make sure you vote for the same NRA backed republicans who voted for
70% of the guncontrol bills last time they came to congress and giving them A+'s while their at it.
One small example
ED Bryant (r-TN)
Before he voted for anti-gun bil B+ by NRA
after he voted for it A from the NRA.
Ofcourse these are also his words on the ratings.
Yeah the NRA's getting AS right as they usually do .......off by mile and half dozen compromises.
www.gunowners.org www.ccops.org www.jpfo.org www.keepandbeararms.org www.citizensofamerica.org

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"those who sacrifice
liberty for security deserve neither"
 
ruger45:

I'm not into 'eating my own' this election season. I'm in the NRA and will be in the GOA shortly. Your complaint about the NRA rating system is legit IMHO; however, I'm not bad mouthing any run rights organization right now. My adivse to anyone is to 1) Join a gun rights group 2) VOTE 3) help in any grassroots voter action your chosen group is doing - that increases the POWER of your vote.

madison46

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ruger45:
And make sure you vote for the same NRA backed republicans who voted for
70% of the guncontrol bills last time they came to congress and giving them A+'s while their at it.
One small example
ED Bryant (r-TN)
Before he voted for anti-gun bil B+ by NRA
after he voted for it A from the NRA.
Ofcourse these are also his words on the ratings.
Yeah the NRA's getting AS right as they usually do .......off by mile and half dozen compromises.
www.gunowners.org www.ccops.org www.jpfo.org www.keepandbeararms.org www.citizensofamerica.org

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hey that got it right again
question is what they got right?The following article is from the Aug. 16 edition of "Roll Call," the
influential Capitol Hill newspaper -- which supports more gun laws.

GOP Takes Aim at NRA
Gun Group Criticized Over Lobbying Tactics

By Jim VandeHei
ROLL CALL

The National Rifle Association is under fire for its lobbying tactics,
but, this time, the shots are coming from Republicans and other
pro-gun activists. The NRA, easily the largest and most influential
gun-rights lobby in America, has been too quick to compromise
and too slow to mobilize its troops to defeat anti-gun legislation in
the House and the Senate, GOP leadership sources and gun
activists say.

As a result, several sources warned that the NRA has presented
anti-gun Democrats with the perfect opportunity to score a major
political victory next month when key Members of the House and
the Senate convene to put the finishing touches on the juvenile
justice bill, which is expected to include the first new collection of
gun laws since 1994.

The NRA plans to focus most -- if not all -- of its attention on killing
a 72-hour waiting period for purchases at gun shows. But the
group, which Democrats claim is the major obstacle to gun
restrictions, is willing to allow several provisions, such as
the so- called Juvenile Brady proposal, to sail through, according to
its top lobbyist, James Baker.

Baker's strategy, which reflects a belief inside the NRA that some
gun control measures will pass in the wake of recent shooting
sprees, has ticked off many pro-gun Members and activists who
deplore any talk of a compromise.

"They are not effective at all," said a senior GOP leadership source.
"Their efforts have been disorganized and mis-targeted and when
they actually fire up their grass roots, it's an effort that [has been]
less than impressive."

Another senior GOP leadership source added: "They have told us
all along that it would be fine to support Juvenile Brady and other
proposals and their membership would not care. But they did
[care], and [Republican leaders] are not happy about that."

Larry Pratt, executive director for Gun Owners of America, said he
and many other pro-gun activists are unhappy with the NRA as
well.

"People want a more proactive position [from the NRA]. That's why
our membership has increased" since the June debate over gun
control, said Pratt, who estimated that thousands of former NRA
members have defected to his organization. Gun Owners of
America, he said, opposes any new gun control measures.

Baker defended the NRA's performance as reasonable and
effective. "If we had opposed everything, we would have lost
everything," he said. "We had a responsible position."

"It's easy to second-guess when you don't have three million
members and gun owners nationally you are trying to protect."

The NRA, duplicating the approach it employed during the gun
debates in June, will not oppose new trigger locks or a ban on
the possession of assault weapons by most people under the age of
18. It vehemently opposes the 72-hour waiting period idea
proposed by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) and the Senate version of the
ban on the importation of ammunition clips.

While several GOP leadership sources said the NRA's position
virtually ensures that some new control measures will be
enacted, Baker says a more reasonable approach is needed in today's
political climate.

It's unclear which provisions will be written into the final compromise
version of the juvenile justice conference report, which is
slated for floor action in September, but the aforementioned items are on
the table. The House-Senate conference team includes the highest-ranking
members of the Judiciary committees from both chambers.

While the juvenile justice bill is the logical home for gun
control measures, Democrats and Republicans alike also predicted a new
round of gun debates when the House and Senate conferees sit
down to hammer out the final details on spending bills.
Appropriations bills, Baker said, "have become the Christmas
tree of choice" for anti-gun forces.

Ignoring the criticism, the NRA is preparing a media and
lobbying strategy to target conferees and several Democrats, such as
Reps Bart Stupak (Mich.) and Chet Edwards (Texas), on the 72-hour
waiting period proposal.

One leadership source said, "The NRA failed by not going after
Stupak and Edwards and others who voted wrong the first time,"
but one NRA official said their time will come.

The short-term lobbying plan, according to Baker, will include
direct mail, radio ads and one-on-one pressure from the group's
lobbying team when Members return from the August recess. Baker refused
to say how much money the NRA is willing to spend on its new
campaign.

It will focus on conferees initially, but the NRA also has its
eyes trained on Members like Stupak who they feel voted the wrong way
on gun control the first time around.

In 1998, according to records filed under the Lobbying
Disclosure Act, the NRA spent $2.25 million on lobbying. The NRA has 10 in-
house lobbyists working Members on Capitol Hill and has six
lobbying firms on retainer. Lobbyist Mark Barnes, whom the NRA
paid $360,000 in 1998, and the firm Timmons and Company, Inc.
($300,000) do most of the outside work for the organization.

Other pro-gun groups plan to lobby as well, but they lack the
clout and resources the NRA can bring to the table.

Pratt's group, which spent less than $150,000 on lobbying last
year, is considered the most aggressive pro-gun lobbying
organization. "Gun Owners [of America] is much smaller, but much
more active. They moved quickly and we heard from their people,"
said one leadership source close to the issue.

John Snyder of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and
Bear Arms says his organization spends nominal money directly
lobbying Members, but he insisted its network of members can
exert pressure from the outside far more effectively.

"The real power of the gun lobby is so many ... people own guns.

That's the most significant respect of the gun lobby per se," he
said. "So we're informing our members and supporters around the
country and encouraging them to visit their Congressmen."

My answer is give the more agressive groups
more clout.
Atleast theyll represent you.
www.gunowners.org www.ccrkba.org www.ccops.org www.citizensofamerica.org



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"those who sacrifice
liberty for security deserve neither"
 
ruger45,

If you don't like the way the NRA runs things, write a letter to them and tell them so. Get yourself a voting membership and vote against the people you don't like. In fact, get everyone that you can to do the same thing. Change things from the inside. If the NRA had 8 million members, only one-tenth of the gun owners in this country, Congress wouldn't poke us in the eye every time they get a chance. What you are saying is counterproductive and not at all well advised during an election year when we have so much at stake. We need to get everyone we can to join the NRA and now!


Joe

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ruger45,

Your point is well taken. I will join GOA today.

1) They react quicker as noted and aren't as willing to give in.

I will remain in the NRA

1) Large lobbying and media org and they aren't just a gun-rights org. They have other functions - mostly their original functions - safety and sport.

madison

ps. I would like to repeat my note from ealier - I am not for fighting between pro-gun right groups this election year. I support the NRA and have nothing against SAF, GOA, CKBA, or keepandbeararms.com(member).

Given the climate at the time(post Columnbine), I can see the NRA's position; however, they, GOA, SAF, CKBA et al have stopped the movement and right now it appears the gun control group is waning. The NRA should take advantage.



[This message has been edited by madison46 (edited October 02, 2000).]
 
Gun control will never wane. They are, "for the children". They have the upper hand, because their position can be contained in a sound bite. It is emotional and unthinking. The public is also unthinking and sound bites are the food of choice. It is an uphill battle and probably one that we are ultimately destined to lose. All great societies, as they become wealthy, become more and more willing to give up freedom (if they ever had any) in exchange for greater government control. The protection of individual rights takes vigilance and it is exactly this characteristic that wanes as great societies age.
 
Gary H,

I am with you, but I will fight just in case I'm wrong.

Rome didn't fall in a day. Clinton's Executive orders have subverted the Constitution but allowed by Congress. The Supreme Court today refused to hear a case where a student was expelled because he drew a Confederate flag. I wonder if that would have happened had it been an African Flag.

I think is also because people aren't educated about the Bill of Rights and Constitution. It amazes me what Congress can propose besides gun-control. The drug act was going to allow sneak-n-peak. LEO could enter the home take what they wanted, especially from computer, and not tell you for 90 days.

Our foundation is being attacked on many fronts:

1) 'Stroke of the pen, law of the land' mentality
2) Freedom of Association and speech are being attacked by the PC crowd under the color of 'hate crime' (since when is murder or assualt NOT a hate crime?)
3) For the childern has replaced 'For the Fatherland' and 'For the Motherland' - and we see how they turned out.

My kids will understand the Constitution and the Bill of Rights or I will turn in my Pol Sci degree.

I could rant longer, but foxnews.com has an article titled 'Tongue Tied' In it a professor resigned because he wouldn't be allowed to teach a class on Political Correctness. The department head said they weren't, get this, going to allow anything that said they didn't allow free speech. (gheez)

madison

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gary H:
Gun control will never wane. They are, "for the children". They have the upper hand, because their position can be contained in a sound bite. It is emotional and unthinking. The public is also unthinking and sound bites are the food of choice. It is an uphill battle and probably one that we are ultimately destined to lose. All great societies, as they become wealthy, become more and more willing to give up freedom (if they ever had any) in exchange for greater government control. The protection of individual rights takes vigilance and it is exactly this characteristic that wanes as great societies age.[/quote]
 
Supporting a group that opposes all restictions on my rights instead of one
that will oppose 1 in say a dozen restrictiosn on my rights is counterproductive.
Im sorry your so willing to compromise
NRAlife Im not I dont think thats very american either.Shame our forefathers werent more willing to compromise with the British
isnt it???
MADISON46--Ive never seen SAF or Ill assume your meant Citizens committeel when you said
CKBA speak agains the NRA.
I have seen the CCRKBA (citiznes committee) speak against the NICS system as the NRA is unwilling to do amongst their obvious and continued support of it.
Despite the truths they reveal about the NRA
GOA spends a good bit of the money they get to elect uncompromising PRO-gun congressmen who wont vote for guncontrol every time some criminal goes on a shooting spree through a
gun-free zone (that the NRA supported the passing of) and creates another tragedy like
my congressmen ED Bryant whom even after his vote for more guncontol under hr1501 was given an A rating on his support of our gunrights.
Yeah we really must get everyone to join the NRA....
I have repeatedly written the NRA they dont write back in response to any of the complaints about the many gunlaws theyve supported despite the continued postage paid envalopes they send me.
YOud think their not even reading the letters.
Id much prefer to see only 4 million NRA members,4 million GOA members,4 million CCRKBA members and 2 million CCOPS members
than more idiots contribute to a very pathetic and pussified organization that calls fighting opposing 1 out of 10 gunlaws proposed to congress and giving A rating to congressmen who have continually voted for yet more gun control.
I also dont consider my funds to JPFO to get the message out about guncontrol's facist ways out or my funds to COA to help get the positive message out about gunownership on the radio out to the public as COUNTER productive.

www.ccops.org www.gunowners.org www.ccrkba.org www.jpfo.org


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