Now Wallyworld...

captianpattson

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I went to WalMart last night for some milk and ammo and was surprised to find that ammo prices are going up. It used to be the last hold-out for cheap shotgun shells. Three weeks ago I could get target loads for $4.77 a box and now they're $5.97..... People are scared. Buy it cheap and stack it deep.
 
Generally a sign of the times.

milk and ammo
Ya got to love it, as what a combination ... ;)
You noticed the ammo prices and yes, they are going up but did you also notice the milk prices. While you're at it walk past the Peanut Butter and that's a bigger shock. .... :eek:

Be Safe !!!
 
The fact that prices today are higher than they were last month, yet lower than they were in the last big ammo panic is good news. It proves that the law of supply and demand is still operative. As long as that is the case it's all good.
 
Part of that is the generally higher commodity prices- when metals like lead and brass go up, ammo will follow not long after.

Walmart also tends to buy in massive quantities, so they can hold the line on pricing for a longer period than smaller stores. They'll ink a contract for a given quantity at price X (so they can sell at price Y), and if the price goes higher than that, well, they still can sell at Y because they're still buying at X. When that contract is satisfied and they go for another, the price will likely have risen, so that gets passed along. Fewer price increases than you might see at a smaller shop, but when they come along they may be bigger jumps than at other places who had increased the same total amount, but in smaller steps.

I do remember that nine years ago the .45ACP was less than half the price it is now. I was buying 100 round packs of FMJ at $20. Now the FMJ is about $34. It's just how things have gone.
 
All the stuff you mentioned costs more buy is still cheaper than 25 yrs ago.. The dollar is just dropping like a rock.

It is worth less and then worth less and pretty soon it will be worthless.

The quarter that many of us bought a gal of gas with when we first started driving is now worth $6.66 (0.18 oz silver x $37/oz [noon today]). Around here gas is right at $4(but it went up yesterday so Im not sure) so one can get 1.5 gal for that 1956 quarter.

Blame your congressman and those that dont vote. I have to go and vote as today is a primary in this state.
 
+1 lawnboy and Techno.

Here's my interpretation of the history of ammo prices for the last 15 years or so. :)

Ammo prices were depressed in the 1990s by a combination of the end of Cold War-level NATO procurements freeing up Western arms factories, rapidly falling commodity prices, and the sudden availability of additional supply from the former Eastern Bloc countries. This was a "perfect storm" that pushed prices lower than they had been in decades, and we probably won't see that combination of market factors coincide again.

Prices rose through the early 2000s as commodity prices rose on optimism that the Asian (particularly Chinese) economic boom would continue. The rise in commodity prices had little or nothing to do with ammo specifically; it was prompted by forecasts of continuing greater demand for consumer products in Asia.

Ammo prices should have fallen when the economy tanked in 2008-2009 and commodity prices fell, but post-election panic buying propped them up into 2010. When people are buying everything that comes in the door within minutes of its arrival, there's no incentive for retailers or wholesalers to lower prices.

In 2011, prices fell due to continuing low commodity prices, a glut at retailers who had ordered too much ammo late in the panic, and the fact that some buyers had stockpiles large enough to last them through the year and weren't buying more.

In 2012, the market has stabilized enough that retailers feel confident raising prices slightly, partially in response to generalized inflation. Some retailers may also be hoping for a second election-year panic. :rolleyes:

Ammo prices are still fairly low compared to historic prices from the 1930s to the 1970s.
 
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People are scared. Buy it cheap and stack it deep.
I wonder why prices are going up.



Haha, well I'm not smart enough to be part of the solution, so.....:D
 
4.77 a box and now they're $5.97.

There are TWO Federal Top Gun loads they sell, and they sit right next to each other in exactly the same box - EXCEPT the $4.77 is a 1oz load, and $5.97 one is a 1-1/8oz load.

I wasn't watching one time and grabbed both until I got to the register, where i politely told them the $5.47 (our price) ones were now "go backs"
 
Get ready for more price increases across the board as the price of fuel climbs higher. Now it's about $4 per gallon with diesel higher (someone help me understand how less refined crude costs more, yeah, yeah, supply and demand... truckers HAVE to buy fuel) and most everything we consummed is driven by truck at some point.

If we don't vote Obama out of office I also see a federal tax on ammo to help pay his bailout spending. He won't be worried about reelection for a 3rd term and the NRA won't scare him. Just look at what his cronie is doing in IL in regards to taxing ammo. We need to do all we can to stop him returning to the White House.
 
(someone help me understand how less refined crude costs more, yeah, yeah, supply and demand... truckers HAVE to buy fuel)

Bing "how many gallons of diesel in a barrel of oil" and you'll find the answer. You get more than twice as much gasoline as you do diesel. There are additional considerations; not all crude is created equal. But volume seems to be the prime mover of price

And truckers don't HAVE to buy fuel. They make a business decision to buy fuel rather than park the truck.

They call supply and demand a law because you can't get away from it. Like gravity.

The fluctuations of the price of oil, diesel, ammo or anything else proves that things are chugging along much as they have for a long time. When prices stop fluctuating, or rocket up and stay there, or plummet and stay there, THEN you should get worried.
 
Federal bulk packs have gone up at WallyWorld,,,

About 6 weeks ago I purchased 2 packs for 16.97 each,,,
Today they were 19.97 for the same bulk pack.

Happy election year people!

Aarond
 
Don't forget that the otherside of the coin to "things cost more" is "our money is worth less..."

That $300 oz of gold bought 40 years ago (was it even that much, then?) is bringing close to $2000 today. The value of the gold hasn't changed one bit. The value of our dollar, unfortunately, has.
 
Interesting....

I wonder how much the actual value of gold HAS changed? I agree that the devaluation of the dollar is the primary factor in the price of gold but I've got to wonder if the value of gold has been steady?

I'm not even sure how you'd figure that out. I assume that there's more gold on the market today than there was 50 years ago, since I doubt much gets thrown away (yes, some does in electronic items and the like) and we've been mining it this whole time.

On the other hand, there's a lot more people on the planet than there was 50 years ago and if we don't compare gold to any currency but look for it's "true" value, I suppose it could be looked at in terms of ounces available per person or some such thing, which I imagine is lower than it was 50 years ago, meaning gold would have more value today than it did then.

I've never considered it from that perspective.
 
Oil prices are the driver. Oil derivitives are a major ingrediendt in the manufacture of propellants.

Add the impact on the cost of shipping and all prices will increase.
 
In 1960, the average weekly earnings was $77 ($4007/52)
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/COLA/AWI.html

In 1960, gold cost $35 per ounce
http://www.nma.org/pdf/gold/his_gold_prices.pdf

That means we worked ~18 hours for an ounce of gold.

in 2010, the average weekly earnings was $801.42 ($41674/52)
in 2010 the cost of gold was $1224.53 per oz.

That means we worked ~61 hours for an ounce of gold.

Gold has risen faster than inflation and wages. A good buy

Look at the price of guns.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Smith-...557348?pt=Vintage_Hunting&hash=item2319e906a4

To keep it simple, we made $77/wk in 1960 and $800/wk in 2010.
Let's say it's 10x more than in 1960 ($770 vs $801)
If a new S&W revolver cost $120 in 1960 that would translate to $1200 today. So, guns have held their value pretty well but not as well as we believe. It has not kept up with inflation unless you have a rare or collectible gun.
 
Yeah, guns aren't really very good investments unless you have enough foresight to know which ones are going to be *much* more valuable later.

Take that same $77 (one week's pay) in 1960 and throw it in the stock market. You don't even have to be smart and pick individual stocks - just put it in a fund that's indexed to the S&P 500 and leave it alone. You'd have a little over $8300 today. How many items could you have bought for $77 in 1960 that would be worth that much now?
 
In 1900 an ounce of gold (nominal $20 gold piece), would buy a good quality man's suit. That held true right up until it went past the $600-750 level, now gold is at a real premium.
 
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