Novice needs help
- Thread starter Rlziggy
- Start date
Glenn E. Meyer
New member
Not a T and T thread. moved.
Magpul Dynamics "The Art of the Precision Rifle"
It will be available this fall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKP5hg-B1N8
It will be available this fall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKP5hg-B1N8
Palmetto-Pride
New member
I would start by learning things like what Minute of Angle is or MOA. When I first started shooting I knew that on my scope it said that one click will move point of impact 1/4" per click at 100yds, but I also thought that at every range it would also move it only a 1/4" per click. I learned that for every 100yds it would do that plus another 1/4". Example 100yds 1/4", 200yds 1/2", 300yds 3/4", 400yds 1" etc, etc. Understanding how your scope works is just a very small part of the equation, but I wanted to use it as an example.
MOA is about 1" at 100, 2" at 200, 3" at 300, etc.
At 1000 yards, it's a ten inch group, which is still decently small for the 18 to 20" lethal hit zone on most medium live targets.
A 1/2 MOA gun would still hit a 7 1/2" group at 1500 yards - on a completely still day, if the bullet can travel with enough energy that distance.
A gun can be purchased - cheaper than improving an existing one - capable of doing that. Just double the price for the scope - entry level is $3-5,000.
What cannot be bought is the ability to read wind, see through haze, or estimate distance, especially across open terrain thru mirage. That takes dedication and years of practice, hours multiple times weekly at extreme range in all weather.
Start with a couple of good books - Maj Plaster's work should fill in a lot of info.
At 1000 yards, it's a ten inch group, which is still decently small for the 18 to 20" lethal hit zone on most medium live targets.
A 1/2 MOA gun would still hit a 7 1/2" group at 1500 yards - on a completely still day, if the bullet can travel with enough energy that distance.
A gun can be purchased - cheaper than improving an existing one - capable of doing that. Just double the price for the scope - entry level is $3-5,000.
What cannot be bought is the ability to read wind, see through haze, or estimate distance, especially across open terrain thru mirage. That takes dedication and years of practice, hours multiple times weekly at extreme range in all weather.
Start with a couple of good books - Maj Plaster's work should fill in a lot of info.
The NRA has various classes most every where. Check their web site for a location near you.
Find local ranges that offer classes and have competition.
Appleseed shoots are a popular training venue.
The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) is a good place to find clubs in your area. The CMP supports training.
The basics of marksmanship are the same whether you're shooting at 100yds or 1000yds. Learn those basics and work at progressively greater distances.
Find local ranges that offer classes and have competition.
Appleseed shoots are a popular training venue.
The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) is a good place to find clubs in your area. The CMP supports training.
The basics of marksmanship are the same whether you're shooting at 100yds or 1000yds. Learn those basics and work at progressively greater distances.
tahunua001
New member
you are going to have 3 main choices for increasing the range of your 700.
the biggest that many people underestimate is the trigger, a nice match grade trigger is push your accuracy further than anything.
the second which just about any seasoned shooter will attest to is ammo. of you are buying ammo in loose 1000 round boxes you are going to have reduced accuracy over match grade ammo, the difference will probably be 3 inch groups at 200 yards compared to 1 inch with match ammo.
the third is god stock. I dont really go for all the fancy, shmancy, free floated, tacticool, pistol grip stocks that flood the interweb but a nice wood thumbhole stock will relax your shooting hand and still be heavy enough to stabilize you and absorb recoil.
a 4th option would be a match grade bull barrel but the are very expensive and they weigh your gun down something awful so I don't even look that route anymore. hope you found this useful.
also you never specified caliber...some calibers are not suited to anything over 200 yards while others are good for miles with the right setup.
the biggest that many people underestimate is the trigger, a nice match grade trigger is push your accuracy further than anything.
the second which just about any seasoned shooter will attest to is ammo. of you are buying ammo in loose 1000 round boxes you are going to have reduced accuracy over match grade ammo, the difference will probably be 3 inch groups at 200 yards compared to 1 inch with match ammo.
the third is god stock. I dont really go for all the fancy, shmancy, free floated, tacticool, pistol grip stocks that flood the interweb but a nice wood thumbhole stock will relax your shooting hand and still be heavy enough to stabilize you and absorb recoil.
a 4th option would be a match grade bull barrel but the are very expensive and they weigh your gun down something awful so I don't even look that route anymore. hope you found this useful.
also you never specified caliber...some calibers are not suited to anything over 200 yards while others are good for miles with the right setup.
Head over to snipersparadise.com and register for the forums, then use the SEARCH function to ask all your questions. You'll find a number of shooters there use the same rifle. If you have a question that the SEARCH function can't answer by all means ask it.
However, what you really need to understand is BALLISTICS and how to operate your SCOPE. The rifle simply launches the bullet, so you need to understand how your bullet drops in relation to distance, and how to adjust your scope to compensate for drop. Windage works the same as drop, but forget about it for now since as you gain experience you'll pick it up naturally.
Jimro
However, what you really need to understand is BALLISTICS and how to operate your SCOPE. The rifle simply launches the bullet, so you need to understand how your bullet drops in relation to distance, and how to adjust your scope to compensate for drop. Windage works the same as drop, but forget about it for now since as you gain experience you'll pick it up naturally.
Jimro
ndking1126
New member
That's so true!
A long distance shot only has 2 more aspects than a short distance shot. Knowing how far your bullet will drop and how far to the left or right the wind will push it. Other than that, it's all fundamentals. Learn the fundamentals and you'll be surprised how easy it is to outshoot your rifle. Appleseed, CMP or NRA classes are probably the best paces to start, as already mentioned.
For the longest time I thought my rifle was more accurate than me, until my uncle convinced me otherwise. Since then I've shot 3 really accurate rifles and every time I'm reminded how inaccurate my hunting rifle is. Well, at least with the ammo I feed it.. THe most recent was shooting an M110 in 7.62 at 1000m. That was by far the longes shot I've ever taken
sigshepardo
New member
I would try with my local CMP branch