Northern Kentucky city and police leaders against seized gun sales

Oatka

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http://www.kypost.com/news/gaguns041000.html

Police beg Patton: Veto bill
By Courtney Kinney, Post staff reporter

Sidebar:
What's changing
Before 1998, the majority of local police departments destroyed guns so they wouldn't go back on the streets, and into the hands of criminals.
House Bill 331's original purpose was to give police the right to destroy confiscated weapons but was amended in the House - by those who took it as a gun-control measure - to take the current law one step further and guarantee that seized guns are sold.


Main story:
Several Northern Kentucky city and police leaders are making a last-ditch appeal to Gov. Paul Patton to veto a bill that could put guns confiscated from criminals back on the streets.

Florence's mayor has already sent a letter to the governor and Covington police will ask the City Commission to do the same, says Lt. Col. Bill Dorsey, spokesman for the department.

''It just doesn't make sense,'' said Florence Chief of Police Tom Kathman. ''We're passin g a law that's taking cigarettes out of the hands of 16-year-olds but we're putting guns back on the streets.''

HB 331, which would require police to auction off weapons within 90 days after they are confiscated, has been passed by the House and Senate and is awaiting Patton's signature.

The governor has 10 days after the close of the legislative session to veto the bill.
Erlanger and Fort Thomas police officials oppose the legislation but haven't taken official action. Newport Police Chief Tom Fromme said he has voiced his opposition through the office of Rep. Jim Callahan, D-Wilder.

The bill would amend a 1998 law that orders police to turn seized firearms over to the Kentucky State Police for auction if the rightful owners can't be traced and if the guns are safe, legal and no longer needed as court evidence. Money raised from the auctions will go to police agencies to buy bulletproof vests.

But local police say it's not an even trade.
''I don't know of a police officer who would want to put one of these weapons in the street just to get a new vest,'' Kathman said.

Florence police, like many others in the state including Lexington and Louisville, until now have been stockpiling the guns, noting that the current law doesn't say when the guns have to be sold.

Covington, Newport, Fort Thomas and Erlanger have all done the same.

Opponents of the bill are concerned that if it becomes law, the hoarded weapons will flood the market, making a large number of cheap guns readily accessible.

Covington alone has between 300 and 500 seized weapons, acquired over several years, Dorsey estimated.
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I wrote the Editor, and cc'd the governor:

What am I missing here?

Quote from the sidebar, "Before 1998, the majority of local police departments destroyed guns so they wouldn't go back on the streets, and into the hands of criminals." Didn't we have the NICS system for instant background checks to prevent just that from happening? If so, just how are the criminals getting all those guns? Were the police selling guns to just anyone, without bothering to check their backgrounds? If so, some major felonies were committed here and they should be prosecuted.

Quoting Florence Chief of Police Tom Kathman. ''We're passing a law that's taking cigarettes out of the hands of 16-year-olds but we're putting guns back on the streets.'' Hello? Same question.

"Opponents of the bill are concerned that if it becomes law, the hoarded weapons will flood the market, making a large number of cheap guns readily accessible."
Accessible to whom? If the buyers are all going through an NICS check, just WHO are these people those opponents are afraid of? Could it possibly be those legally-armed American citizens that have no felony convictions or mental health problems?

Now who are the "gun nuts"?

(I'm using that last now every time I talk about the antis -- maybe we can change the definition.)

The editor's at: postedits@cincypost.com
The gover's at: governor@mail.state.ky.us

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[This message has been edited by Oatka (edited April 11, 2000).]
 
I can think of one good reason why they should destroy them... Every gun they sell at auction is one less new firearm that a manufacturer might sell, and right now, they can use the money for court costs. We need to think about the long haul - who is going to be left when these suits are done?

They need the income - except that British owned corp. in Massachusetts, of course.
 
Update - Whine Alert.
http://www.kypost.com/opinion/keditb041200.html

Editorial: Veto this firearms folly

It's always been clear to us why police departments in Kentucky shouldn't be forced t o turn over confiscated weapons to be sold at auction.

It's never made any sense to require guns which are safely in the hands of law enforcement officers to be put back on the streets.

But putting guns back on the street is exactly what a bill passed by the General Assembly and awaiting the governor's signature does.

House Bill 331 would require police to turn over all confiscated weapons to the Kentucky State Police to be sold at auction.

In Covington, requiring confiscated guns to be sold to the highest bidder could put as many 500 seized weapons on the streets. In Louisville, the requirement would put more than 3,000 guns back into circulation.

And the flood of firearms means not only a large num-

ber of guns on the market at one time, but also likely cheap guns readily accessible.

Gov. Paul Patton can correct this legislative folly by vetoing the bill.

He has 10 days after the close of the legislative session to decide. Once the session adjourns, there's no way a veto can be overridden. So far he's not said what he'll do.

If the governor needs any reason beyond what common sense dictates, he should listen to police officers from urban areas and the mayors of Kentucky cities.

Florence's mayor has sent a letter to Patton asking him to veto the bill. Covington police will ask the City Commission to do the same. Newport's police chief opposes the legislation. And both Louisville's and Lexington's mayors want the bill vetoed.

''It just doesn't make sense,'' said Florence Police Chief Tom Kathman.

Surely Patton realizes that.
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If any of you Kentuckians have not bestirred yourselves, now is the time to act.

BTW, neither the Governor of the newspaper have answered my questions.
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Hey, why stop here with seized guns? I think that they should destroy seized cars. They should also destroy seized houses.

Of course that will never happen. Why? because the cities and PDs make too much money off the sales of seized property.

It is only that it is currently politically correct to attack guns/gunowners/gun rights that they want to destroy all of those nasty guns.

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Please note that this is also a blatent slur against the rights of low income people. Any time you see references to "cheep" or "low cost" firearms, the elitists are realy saying that gun ownership is only allowed if you are rich. I see nowhere in the constitution that says your civil rights require you to be of a certain income level. On the contrary there is a constitutional amendment prohibiting poll taxes.
 
I have seen some guns that were marked for destruction with no chance of salvation...
Some of them were not just Guns from Criminals - but from seized estates from various reasons...
HIGHLY collectable guns - Colt Peacemakers that were in great condition from the 1800's, Winchester Rifles from the same... Weatherby rifles... Double rifles... a Gold Plated Sig P220...
All kinds of cool stuff - some of those 1800's guns held values similar to a new BMW.

What happened to them?
Sawed in Half.

Now - if they had been BACK ON THE STREETS - where do you think those streets would have been? Safes... Locked... Keys held by collectors.

Buncha freakin idiots...
 
Has anyone ever been to a "police auction"?

Lots of overpriced bidding fever going on.
Also the people who attend an auction to buy a firearm are probably not the type that's going hanging out on the "streets".

"Streets", I love or loath that term almost as much as "the children".

Gator
 
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