No JHP ammo for Law Enforcement?!

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Lucky Devil

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Please forgive my ignorance, but I'm just now learning that many police depts. do not issue JHP ammo to their officers. :confused:
What's up with that?
 
Hollow points, to the anti-gun, criminal loving, ignorant, naive bliss ninnies, are very Politically Incorrect. Afterall, they're those DUM DUM bullets!!

You see, it's okay to kill the bad guy, but you can't kill him too much.

Don't ever try to attach any logic to anything like that.

FWIW. J.B.
 
I'll second that, Jay. The rationale goes *poof* right out the window when you start talking about exploding killer bullets and the like. I think the NYPD went to hollowpoints recently though to avoid overpenetration.
 
Detroit PD is going to go to JHP's, for their .40 Glocks, after an arbitrator's decision in the the last contract talks. The ninnies are running around in circles, waving their arms in protest.

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Ne Conjuge Nobiscum
"If there be treachery, let there be jehad!"
 
JHP help keep down over penetration and others getting hurt. Just want to stop bad guy. Any LE agency who has been sued over this issue, usually ends up switching their LEs to jhp.
 
From a public safety point of view I would also think that FMJ is deadlier in the long run as it can produce two holes to bleed out of due to superior penetration (not to mention hitting unintended people).

So, I think you can make a point that hollow points are actually safer for police and civilians to use. However when you have anti-gun citizen groups and politicians screaming about pocket-rocket, dumb-dumb, exploding bullets, they don't want to hear it.
 
The October issue of Handguns magazine has a good article about the NYPD's transition to hollowpoint ammo. According to the article, they switched to hollowpoints to minimize overpenetration and potential injury to bystanders. It also states that the NYPD was the last major police department in the country to issue hollowpoint ammo to its officers.
 
Well, I always considered Detroit PD kind of bush league but they still have not started issuing JHPs to their officers even after they were told to do so. The city council and others within the depatrment are dragging their feet.

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Ne Conjuge Nobiscum
"If there be treachery, let there be jehad!"
 
Exploding killer bullets, hm?

Looks like I'm well advised to pick up some quikshok carry ammo.

[This message has been edited by Coinneach (edited August 22, 2000).]
 
I can see the need for penetration in any shooting, but penetration with a JHP is most situations will not be a problem. A combination of cartidges on the LEO would be the best solution. His sidearm should be loaded with JHPs and at least one backup full of FMJs. If he hasn't killed the weasel with the 15 JHPs, he just MIGHT have a penetration problem and a switch to different ammo would be wise.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr. Pub:
From a public safety point of view I would also think that FMJ is deadlier in the long run as it can produce two holes to bleed out of due to superior penetration (not to mention hitting unintended people).......[/quote]

Umm ever hear of Internal Bleeding? There doesnt have to be an external wound for someone to "Bleed". As far as getting shot goes, one hole is one too many.

And as far as this "JHP is too deadly" crap! In NJ if a private citizen uses Hollow Points to stop an aggressor it is considered "Excessive Force", but it is ok to FMJ/Buckshot. Talk about STUPID!


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Dead [Black Ops]

[This message has been edited by Dead (edited August 23, 2000).]
 
They may have read the long term study on shooting reported at the FBI's site on ammo. It recommends not using hollow point for stopping power and goes into great detail in it's study of use of deadly force. I goes on to say that for the ammo to be effective it must penetrate the body cavity by 12". It also mentioned that "by-stander" accidents were few. Given this evidence some PD's could probably beat the "inhumane" label. I have started mixing my rounds as a result and most of my toys seem to respond without feed problems. If any of you get a chance it is a good read.
 
Where did you learn that "many" police departments don't issue JHP? NYC was one of the last holdouts and they caved a couple years ago. Other than Detroit, I'm not aware of any that issue FMJ. What departments do you know that issue FMJ?

Jared
 
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