NO FIRE ARMS ALLOWED signs

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ricky74

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NO FIREARMS ALLOWED signs are popping up all over the place! A lot of the restaurants I go to have those signs on the door. Here’s what I do. I ask for the manager and when he comes over and I tell him “Because of his NO FIREARMS ALLOWED sign I can’t come in here again!”. They all say the same thing. “It’s OK for you to come in. No one knows you carrying a gun because it’s concealed.” I tell them “No, the sign reads NO FIREARMS ALLOWED” and that what it means. I then ask them if I got them a “NO OPEN CARRY” sign would they take down the NO FIREARMS ALLOWED sign and put up the NO OPEN CARRY sign on the door. They always agree. When I finish eating I go out to my car and get my scraper and a NO OPEN CARRY sign that I purchased from “MYSAFETYSIGN (Google it. $2.00 for a 3X5 vinyl sticky if you buy 20) and replace there sign.!!
For those people that are hard to convince I use this. On page 64 of the February 2013 issue of America’s First Freedom (NRA) there is an article titled “Guns, Mental Illness and Newtown” by Dave Kopel. (You can Google “Dave Kopel and look for Guns, Mental Illness and Newtown” and copy it from his web site.) I had copies made. The last two paragraphs explain that a Gun Free Zone with out metal detectors and armed security personal is nothing but a pretend Gun Free Zone. These pretend Gun Free Zones are magnets for evildoers who know they will be able to murder at will. So far I’ve had no refusal to changing the signs.

It’s worth the two bucks just to know I’ve screwed the anti gun people out of another one of there efforts to ban guns. I hope you’ll do the same….
 
Without being overly aggressive, personally insulting or rude I agree 100%.
If you've been barred for some reason you should firmly, but politely inform the owners of the loss of revenue & the reason for it.

They have every right to restrict access to the private premises, but i have an equal right to spend my money elsewhere with a direct competitor because of it. This is something they should be reminded of.

MD has a rule (not a law,a rule) that proofing in restaurants that serve alcohol, should be extended from 21 to "appearing under 40". I'm over 60 & if asked for proof I leave, informing the senior person present of the reason. If you don't inform them they never have the information needed to make an informed decision about continuing or not.
 
My neighborhood Verizon phone store has a 'No Concealed Firearms' lettering on the storefront entrance. For those of you not from New Jersey, the irony is there is a de facto ban on carrying firearms in NJ. Additionally, if it's concealed, how would anyone know?

Another pretend gun free zone.
 
if you are a licenced conceal gun permit holder....I would ignore the signs....
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That could be very dangerous for you in the wrong state. In some states (FL for instance) the signs don't hold the weight of law and just means that you would be asked to leave if they found you were carrying (non-compliance with leaving is a whole different matter). In other states, those signs have the weight of law and disobeying them is equal to tresspass with a firearm. Here in MS, it is a mixed bag - those with an "enhanced" CCW permit can ignore them while those with a normal CCW must obey them.

You have to know what the law is in your particular state.
 
It is important to know the laws of your jurisdiction. In some states, such signs may be enforceable, in others they have to meet certain requirements, and in still others they have no meaning unless and until you are personally asked to leave.

Politely and calmly explaining to business owners and managers that they are driving away business may well be a good way of furthering the cause of gun rights. I'm not sure I would remove the sticker and provide my own, but if you do it in a way that conveys helpfulness and consideration rather than anger, you might well be seen as going the extra mile, which would certainly be a positive.
 
Many store owners post those signs for the scardy cats and anti's.
I can appreciate them wanting everyone's business and trying to make folks feel comfortable.
 
Most of those store owners/managers probably don't realize how useless the signs really are.
The thought of someone being on the premises and carrying a concealed weapon probably doesn't even cross the minds of non gun people, in the first place.
All the signs do is aggravate gun folks, and reduce the business's bottom line.
Real dumb.
 
if you are a licenced conceal gun permit holder....I would ignore the signs....
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I think that your intent to have your "right" override the right of someone else is a bad idea. It's what we as gun owners criticize most of Liberals, lets not be hypocrites like they are.

He disagrees with you, that's HIS right too. Just go elsewhere, it probably isn't the only place in town to get whatever you want..
 
if you are a licenced conceal gun permit holder....I would ignore the signs....
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Here in CT, you must obey those signs per law. If you are found to have a firearm in a posted business, then you can be charged with a crime.

I will respect the owners of businesses that post these signs by not disobeying them.. after all, I am a law abiding citizen. I will just go somewhere that does not post such signs... I'll let my wallet protest for me.
 
I get your point, but personally it looks like you're asking for trouble and trying to prove a point. The whole point of a concealed weapon is so that NOBODY knows you have it. My state (GA) is open carry, but I'll never open carry unless I'm out in the woods on a hike or something. Too many people don't know the laws, and I don't want to ask for trouble or waste a cops time because they got a phone call that someone was wearing a gun out in the open.

Just keep it concealed and go eat your meal.
 
Just keep it concealed and go eat your meal.
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If people don't want firearms on their private property, then that should be respected. If I did not want someone in my house with a firearm I would expect visitors to respect that and if they did not respect my wishes they would not be welcome.
 
If people don't want firearms on their private property, then that should be respected. If I did not want someone in my house with a firearm I would expect visitors to respect that and if they did not respect my wishes they would not be welcome.
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I agree with this 100%.

While I think OC is still better than carrying no gun at all, it can place the user in a much harrier position than what a CCW user could experience. These include someone trying to grab the gun out of the holster and running/shooting you with it, and if I was a crook looking to hold up a place of business... and wasn't afraid of shooting people... guess who I would shoot first?

There are plenty of effective handgun in the CCW market, and the CCW carrier has the element of SURPRISE that is absolutely critical. Not to mention that yes, few people know or even care about OC laws in there states, and OCing CAN (not always) create a number of problems for the public/Law Enforcement in many different ways.

I have no qualms with anyone who chooses to OC, but for me I think the tactical advantage lies with the CCW guys. Which I am one of.

JMHO.

YMMV.
 
In Texas there are two different signs that restrict a concealed handgun license holder from carrying into a place of business. They are a 30.06 sign, and a 51% sign.

A 30.06 sign is a sign that a business owner can post to restrict a CHL holder from entering the business with a concealed handgun. The sign must contain the exact words required by Section 30.06 in both English and Spanish, be placed in an area visible to the public, and have 1" lettering or it will not be considered a legally-binding 30.06 sign. "Gunbuster" signs, or signs with a red slash through a gun, are not considered valid 30.06 postings.

A 51% sign is a sign that a business is required by law to post if 51% of their revenue is obtained through on-premises drinking, such as at a bar. Unfortunately this also has the consequence of not allowing CHL holders to enter the premises where the drinking is taking place while carrying their handgun.

Additional places are not required to post a sign to forbid CHL holders from entering the premises with their handgun as Texas law already forbids it, such as court houses and educational institutions.

So if they don't have either one of those signs, I carry mine in.
 
Forgive my ignorance... But what is an "Enhanced CCW"?
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It is a special deal that seems to be unique to this wonderful state I now call home. You can get a normal CCW without proof of weapons training. The Enhanced CCW requires an 8-hour class taught by a Mississippi certified instructor. The benefit of having that is that it allows you to carry into lots of places that are off-limits to a normal CCW holder.
 
A tiered system for self-defense? Sounds like a bad idea to me

Im ALL for training. Ive been a profesional weapons and tactics trainer for almost 20 years

But a tiered system is flawed at the base level
 
I think as long as we have our somewhat free society, that we are going to have that element that want's to establish more control over people through a more powerful government, and they'll want the guns. I can't see these people ever becoming a majority but I do see them occasionally getting their way and they do so by swaying the people in the middle, by getting them involved. They paint a picture of what a gun owner is and one of those pictures looks alot like the kind of guy who would carry his gun into someone's business knowing the owner doesn't want it there. This isn't a question of organizing and exercising the legal system. This is a question of respecting your fellow man. Let people see that gun owners respect others, even those that disagree with us, and that we respect not only the law, but the intent of the law, and you will be showing people a picture that is very different then the one these others want the common folk to see. That really is all it takes to stay ahead of the game, well that, and support the NRA.
 
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