No CCW in AZ

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So recently in AZ, there is a new bill being passed that eliminates the need for a CCW on firearms. If the Gov. signs, then we will be the first state to freely conceal firearms. What do you guys think about this?
 
Yes, that is great. However I read that permits are not necessary in Alaska and either Vermont or New Hampshire, cannot rember which. Has the bill been signed?
 
As far as crime goes, I think most criminals already conceal their weapons so this wouldn't promote any armed robberies and the like (if folks are afraid of that).

I thought about age (as in minors), previous crimes, mental status/illness and things like that but I guess it would be up to the regulation on ownership of handguns in general to take care of that. As far as proficiency goes, not all CCW licenses require that either. I wonder if AZ does...
 
There are no permits required to carry concealed in VT and AK as previously stated. In addition, VT does not issue permits; therefore, their residents need a non-resident permit from another state to carry outside of VT. AK will issue a permit if a resident submits a form to obtain one; that allows AK residents to carry to states that recognize AK permits.
 
For a CCW permit in Arizona, you have to attend a class which includes classroom instruction and range time. The range portion was much less than what I would consider challenging or very educational for that matter.

So recently in AZ, there is a new bill being passed that eliminates the need for a CCW on firearms.
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One of the perks that comes with a CCW permit is no waiting for a NIC. A driver's license and the CCW permit and you are good to go. Also, there are some other items, such as carrying in a restaurant that serves alcohol, that non-permitted gun owners will not be able to do. And, if memory serves me correctly, you still need a CCW permit to carry on federal park lands, such as at the Grand Canyon.

You should really review the new bill before making a statement about it eliminating the need for a permit. You wouldn't want to be giving folks bogus info. ;)
 
If the Gov. signs, then we will be the first state to freely conceal firearms.
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If the new bill is signed, Arizona will be the third state to adopt constitutional carry. Vermont was first in the early years of the twentieth century, then Alaska in the early years of this century.

It's a step forward.
 
Thank you, arizona98tj.

There are still strong pluses to getting your permit.

-No NICS wait
-Carry in a restaurant
-Carry in national parks
-Reciprocity (such as it is)

I'm hoping that the permit system becomes a bit more demanding as a result. Shrink the target size a bit, increase the rounds fired, add a reload drill into the mix, and demand greater accuracy.

I have to admit I was appalled at some of the people in my CCW class. One woman had a brand-new gun (Kel-Tec P11) that she didn't even know how to load, let alone fire or disassemble for cleaning. Couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside. The instructor just kept "working" with her until chance and roulette took their turns and she finally squeaked by.

If there's going to be a test... then make it something worth studying for. Otherwise, acknowledge that carry is a basic right and remove the need for a permit.

AZ's qualifications straddle the line too much between those divergent philosophies.
 
cool. the base I work on is getting shut down in 2 years and I'm looking for a new job. might be looking at AZ now.
 
There are still strong pluses to getting your permit.
-No NICS wait
-Carry in a restaurant
-Carry in national parks
-Reciprocity (such as it is)
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True, but for most folks, it'll still be an improvement.

People who never saw the need to apply for a permit may find themselves in circumstances (such as a recent threat from a vengeful ex-spouse) where they need to start carrying very soon, and under the new law, they won't have to wait for the approval process to clear.

Furthermore, it makes life easier for folks passing through whose home states may not issue reciprocal permits.
 
True, but for most folks, it'll still be an improvement.

People who never saw the need to apply for a permit may find themselves in circumstances (such as a recent threat from a vengeful ex-spouse) where they need to start carrying very soon, and under the new law, they won't have to wait for the approval process to clear.

Furthermore, it makes life easier for folks passing through whose home states may not issue reciprocal permits.
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I agree that it's an improvement, and it'll make it easier for folks who need to carry, but Arizona is an open carry state already. Even if I didn't have a permit, I can legally stick a handgun in an open carry holster and stroll around town without issue.

I've been open carrying since the early/mid 1980's and have never been questioned about it by an Arizona LEO. I see others OC'ing about a couple or three times a week here, so it's not unheard of. There are places where concealed is more appropriate, and in those places I carry concealed, and there are advantages to keeping a valid permit.

The advantage I see in this law is that it'll make it easier for folks who want to carry discreetly and that don't want to be hassled to get a permit, and it'll make it easier for folks without a permit to carry in the winter with a jacket on.

The advantages of having a permit will be enough to encourage serious carriers to get one and keep it valid.

National Parks will require it
Within 1000 feet of a school (as defined) will require it
In a restaurant that serves alcohol will require it.
Pre-approval for purchases requires it

Restrictions only limit the law abiding, and concealed VS open is simply another way to legally carry if it's signed.

And, it may bring more pro-rights folks into Arizona, while "inviting" more liberal minded folks to move to California and other such places.

Seems like a win-win law if signed.

Daryl
 
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