NJ schoolchildren will Declare Independence

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This may be a small thing, but in a state like NJ, where the state houses are controlled by quasi-Republicans, this is monumental.

Senate clears recitation of Declaration in school

06/27/00

By Ron Marsico
STAFF WRITER

Thousands of New Jersey's public schoolchildren may soon be adding a few lines from the Declaration of Independence to their normal morning classroom routine.

After struggling for more than a dozen years to convince legislators that saying a snippet of the Declaration would be good for the students, Sen. Gerald Cardinale (R-Bergen) finally succeeded yesterday.

He cobbled together a bare majority (21 votes), amid charges by some that a few of the legislators were trying to curry favor with conservative voters.

If the bill becomes law as expected, New Jersey would be the first state in the nation to require students to recite part of the historic document each day, according to Cardinale.

Assembly Speaker Jack Collins (R-Salem) yesterday vowed to push for the measure to pass his house in the fall. Gov. Christie Whitman, who once opposed the bill, signaled that she may accept the current version.

"It's been 13 years. It's finally happened," said Cardinale. "I believe it is the most important piece of legislation I've been involved with in my years in the Legislature . . . a way to transmit the values of America to our young people."

The bill would require public school students in grades 3 through 12 to recite the following passage each day:

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed . . ."

For years, the measure was pushed by conservatives, including former presidential contender Steve Forbes, but was stalled by moderates who questioned whether it was advisable to force schoolchildren to simply recite this passage.

The measure also drew fire from education groups. Some critics said the passage's use of the word "men" instead of "people" could send a wrong message to girls.

Sen. Wayne Bryant (D-Camden) strongly derided the measure yesterday on the Senate floor, saying it was an attempt to "micro-manage the education system," while also ignoring the failings of the document's author, Thomas Jefferson, and the founding fathers.

"Both African-Americans and women were not part of what was written by Thomas Jefferson," said Bryant. "He did nothing to abolish slavery. . . . We don't need to have folks recite things that have no legitimacy in time and space."

Supporters like Jersey City's Republican Mayor Bret Schundler -- who is planning a run for governor next year -- have said moderates who are potential candidates for higher office are now supporting the measure to gain support from conservative voters in future Republican primaries.

All "yes" votes came from Republicans, who hold the majority.

Once a key opponent to the recitation bill, Sen. William Gormley (R-Atlantic), who narrowly lost the June 6 U.S. Senate primary, changed his mind and supported the legislation. But he insisted it had nothing to do with his primary and everything to do with Cardinale's efforts to modify portions of the legislation.

Senate President Donald DiFrancesco (R-Union), who is mounting a run for governor next year, said his support was not connected to his ambitions.

"I've always supported it," said DiFrancesco, who quickly added that he was referring to the current legislative session, which began in January.

"I don't see anything wrong with it," he said. "There's no downside to this legislation. It's 30 seconds of history that people have to stand up and recognize."

Taking a subtle swipe at DiFrancesco, Collins, another expected gubernatorial candidate, said in a statement: "It is very encouraging to see this legislation pass the Senate because a similar bill approved 50-16 last year by the Assembly stalled in the Senate."

Noting that he "strongly supported this legislation when it passed our house last year," Collins said he would work to secure its passage when the Assembly reconvenes this fall.

Converts say Cardinale made good on promises to make the bill more acceptable by allowing local school boards to decide the "appropriate means" of implementing the dictate.

They said the new version of the bill not only requires the passage to be recited but would also incorporate its meaning into the school curriculum.

Cardinale, whose no-holds-barred rhetoric irritates some members of the upper house, followed one of the maxims of legislative politics -- when you have the votes, sit down and do nothing to antagonize anyone. So the senator, who has waxed on the issue for years, simply moved the bill without commenting on its merits.

"I decided not to speak unless more inflammatory things were said (in opposition)," Cardinale said.

Peter McDonough, a Whitman spokesman, called the current bill "a vast improvement" over an earlier version.

"It was amended at our request," said McDonough. "We'll have to see what happens as it makes its way through the Assembly."

Assemblyman Michael Carroll (R-Morris), the bill's sponsor in the lower house, said simply: "We'll pass it here."
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/jersey/ledger/ff0830.html
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It should not surprise you to know that Sen Cardinale & Assm. Carroll are also the most vocal advocates of NJ CCW and other pro-RKBA bills. On the other hand, GOP Sen. President (and Gubernatorial hopeful) DiFrancesco just pushed through the NJ "Smart-Gun" law. This is why I donate $ only to individual candidates, not the Party machines.
 
Does anybody have this idiot's email, Bryant (D) or a local newspaper.

It is obvious this A-Hole never studied history. Jefferson DID write a passage that condemmed the slave trade, but was removed by the Continental Congress.

"Fails to mention these men's failings?" WTF is this country coming to?!!?!?

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Since it seems the Pledge of Allegiance isn't as globally recited as it used to be, I can only say that, IMO, this would be a good substitute.
 
"We don't need to have folks recite things that have no legitimacy in time and space."

The ideas of the founding fathers are now "irrlevant" and "illegitimate" to those who don't believe in Americanism. These people need to leave our country.
 
The liberal teacher will just counter this by spending an extra hour or so talking about how evil and racist our founders were. What a load of crap.. How can anyone be opposed to the Declaration of Independence??? This could be one small step towards actually teaching the whole Declaration of Independence along with the Constitution and ENTIRE Bill of Rights....

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It would be a good idea to write the guys below and thank them for their efforts even if you don't live in NJ. You can write one and cc the rest to save time.

I've found that politicians do appreciate the support even if you're not in their district.

Carroll is at: AsmCarroll@njleg.state.nj.us

Cardinale at: SenCardinale@njleg.state.nj.us

Collins at: AsmCollins@njleg.state.nj.us

If you have the time, drop by the Ledger's message board, item 17827 and say a few words: http://www.nj.com/forums/politics/index.ssf

Comrade Bryant got this:

"Dear Senator Bryant:

Thanks to the Internet, I found the Ledger's article.

I find it astonishing that anyone would be against this bill.

I find it stupefying that you could come up with a "We don't need to have folks recite things that have no legitimacy in time and space."
statement.

If that is your core belief, I would like your permission to start up a fund to aid you in seeking employment in some other country that is not encumbered by the Declaration and associated documents. I have $100 to prime the pump, and suspect that a large amount would amass very quickly
from New Jerseyites, let alone citizens throughout the country.

Please let me know you decision as soon as possible. I've got a few pledges already.

Yours truly, etc."


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To the editor and the people of Camden,

After reading the article online regarding the recitation of the "Declaration in school," I am both shocked and horrified that the people of Camden actually elected a historically ignorant Senator such as Wayne Bryant. I disagree with his opposition for the passage of the bill for numerous reasons.

First, he opposes the bill because it is an attempt to micro-manage the educational system. As a city / state level representative, that is his job. In these times where it is considered sheik to relinquish all thoughts of personal responsibility and control the Federal Government, there are those who remember that the best way to deal with local issues is through the local legislature. The people of New Jersey want this for their schools and they pay for the right to micro-manage their public schools. They accomplish this management through school boards and you, Wayne Bryant. Do your job Senator, and micro-manage.

Second and most repugnant, is this Senator who swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States and the State Charter of New Jersey has personally determined that the Preamble to one of the most historically significant documents is illegitimate in this time and space. Senator and the people of Camden, the facts of history are irrefutable, some of the founding fathers were slave owners, some were anarchist, some could be considered vandals, murderers and thieves; however, all of these foibles and vices, which are undeniable due not detract from the legitimacy of the Constitution. If the Senator had spent anytime reading his history book instead of trying to burn it, he would have learned that Thomas Jefferson had written a rather dissenting view of slavery, almost to the point of outlawing it. Yes, he owned slaves, he was a product of his time, but to totally discriminate his work without research into his person is plain wrong. The clause against slavery was removed to pass it through the Continental Congress. No, as I do not defend slavery, I do not deny it either.

It is time to stop thinking along politically correct lines and denying history. Women and minorities did play important roles in the annuls of history: Crispus Attucks, a freed slave, was one of the five people slain at the Boston Massacre. Since the Senator has forgotten his history lessons- the Boston Massacre was the result of a British Patrol firing into a rioting crowd who were protesting the Townsend Acts of 1770, it was one of the events leading up to the War. I do not understand nor should the American people condone the ignorance of history by their leaders. Would the feats or works of John Henry or Marie Curie or Booker T. Washington or Harriet Tubman escape this generation because our leaders do not know or deny them.

It is not the Preamble's "job" to educate children on the roles of women and minorities in history, it is that of the teacher to discuss the significance of these roles- to fill in the blanks. As the "feel good 'soccer mom'" movement further strips us of our inalienable rights guaranteed by the Constitution and Bill of Rights, let us teach our children about the freedoms that my parents enjoyed, that I am losing, and that they will never have.

Regards,

Dan Huben

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Daniel J. Huben, P.E., MSEng
Sr. Engineer
daniel.Huben@coastalcorp.com


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I thanked all three politicians mentioned in the article.

Today I got this from Mike Carroll: "Thanks for your note. It should not surprise you that this measure is controversial. Any time we reaffirm the basic values of our country, those on the left, who reject those values, will object.

I look forward to moving this Bill expeditiously through the Legislature and
getting it signed into law."

Looks like New Jersey still has some good ones.
 
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