NJgunowner
New member
Well, I have to say I'm shocked. I thought for sure he'd pass these, he's never been 2a friendly in the least. But he finally got it right and vetoed at least the worst offenders. The good news is that the democrats don't have enough votes to override, and accepting Christie's conditions would gut the bills. What they COULD get out of it by accepting his conditions is making internet ammo purchases tougher. Not impossible some retailers already won't ship ammo to NJ without a copy of your FID card, but there will be the retailers who don't want to bother.
I borrowed most of the bottom part from NJ2AS & members, believe me they're VERY happy and want the word out and don't mind us sharing
We're all enjoying watching the local liberal media and anti-gun groups have a collective meltdown 
And believe me when I say we aren't done. We have elections coming up in November and we're VERY motivated to get rid of some of the more vulnerable gun grabbers. Sweeney is at the top of our replacement list
http://www.nj2as.com/blog?mode=PostView&bmi=1368219
NJ2AS has received word that Governor Chris Christie has vetoed the three remaining firearms bills that were on his desk.
The three bills vetoed were:
A3659 - The Fifty Caliber Ban - Flat out veto
S2723 - The "Sweeney" Omnibus bill - Conditional Vetoes
A3797 - Forces state police to breach confidentiality regarding trace data - Conditional Vetoes
Conditional vetoes mean that the legislation is dead, unless the legislature reconvenes to resurrect it through amendments that meet strict conditions imposed by the Governor. Alternatively, the legislature could try to override any veto (conditional or otherwise) by a 2/3 vote of both houses.
Under Governor Christie's conditional veto, S2723 could only be resurrected if both houses of the legislature agreed to the following conditions:
- Remove all provisions that would have created a new electronic FID card (keeps the existing permitting system in place);
- Remove all provisions that would have suspended Second Amendment rights without proof of firearms training;
- Remove all provisions that would have ended firearms sales directly between background-checked licensed gun owners; and
- Add a provision requiring the State Police to develop and promulgate literature regarding safe firearms storage and ownership.
It is unknown whether Democratic legislative leadership would accept these conditions. While doing so would salvage what is left of their "centerpiece," the final bill would be a gutted version, stripped of the most blatant attacks on legal gun owners, and very likely an embarrassment to Democrats.
If Democrats decided to swallow that bitter pill, other key provisions of the Sweeney bill that would be retained would include: requiring an FID card or other permit for all ammunition purchases; limiting shipment of online ammunition purchases to the address on the FID card; making it a 4th degree crime if injury or death results from the failure to properly secure firearms; making it a 4th degree crime for someone prohibited from possessing firearms to possess ammunition; requiring mental health screeners to inquire about firearms ownership of those being considered for involuntary commitment for mental health reasons; and revocation of NJ concealed carry permits upon conviction of a crime of the 4th degree or higher.
The Governor's statement accompanying his conditional veto expressed support in principle for some of these provisions, yet also criticized the legislature as "shortsighted" for focusing on gun control instead of comprehensive violence solutions. The statement also noted the bill's failure "to directly combat violence," and the current unavailability of the technology that would be required to implement the digitized FID card.
A3797 - conditionally vetoed because of one section that required the State Police to breach confidentiality of federal gun trace data in direct violation of federal law that limits the data to law enforcement only. This was an attempt by frustrated gun banners to circumvent that federal law, so that idiosyncrasies of the ATF's trace system could be exploited and manipulated to falsely suggest that law abiding citizens are a source of "crime guns." ATF has opposed similar efforts to circumvent confidentiality, which could compromise ongoing investigations. If the legislature amends the bill to remove this illegal provision, the amended bill would then return to the Governor's desk.
I borrowed most of the bottom part from NJ2AS & members, believe me they're VERY happy and want the word out and don't mind us sharing
We're all enjoying watching the local liberal media and anti-gun groups have a collective meltdown And believe me when I say we aren't done. We have elections coming up in November and we're VERY motivated to get rid of some of the more vulnerable gun grabbers. Sweeney is at the top of our replacement list
http://www.nj2as.com/blog?mode=PostView&bmi=1368219
NJ2AS has received word that Governor Chris Christie has vetoed the three remaining firearms bills that were on his desk.
The three bills vetoed were:
A3659 - The Fifty Caliber Ban - Flat out veto
S2723 - The "Sweeney" Omnibus bill - Conditional Vetoes
A3797 - Forces state police to breach confidentiality regarding trace data - Conditional Vetoes
Conditional vetoes mean that the legislation is dead, unless the legislature reconvenes to resurrect it through amendments that meet strict conditions imposed by the Governor. Alternatively, the legislature could try to override any veto (conditional or otherwise) by a 2/3 vote of both houses.
Under Governor Christie's conditional veto, S2723 could only be resurrected if both houses of the legislature agreed to the following conditions:
- Remove all provisions that would have created a new electronic FID card (keeps the existing permitting system in place);
- Remove all provisions that would have suspended Second Amendment rights without proof of firearms training;
- Remove all provisions that would have ended firearms sales directly between background-checked licensed gun owners; and
- Add a provision requiring the State Police to develop and promulgate literature regarding safe firearms storage and ownership.
It is unknown whether Democratic legislative leadership would accept these conditions. While doing so would salvage what is left of their "centerpiece," the final bill would be a gutted version, stripped of the most blatant attacks on legal gun owners, and very likely an embarrassment to Democrats.
If Democrats decided to swallow that bitter pill, other key provisions of the Sweeney bill that would be retained would include: requiring an FID card or other permit for all ammunition purchases; limiting shipment of online ammunition purchases to the address on the FID card; making it a 4th degree crime if injury or death results from the failure to properly secure firearms; making it a 4th degree crime for someone prohibited from possessing firearms to possess ammunition; requiring mental health screeners to inquire about firearms ownership of those being considered for involuntary commitment for mental health reasons; and revocation of NJ concealed carry permits upon conviction of a crime of the 4th degree or higher.
The Governor's statement accompanying his conditional veto expressed support in principle for some of these provisions, yet also criticized the legislature as "shortsighted" for focusing on gun control instead of comprehensive violence solutions. The statement also noted the bill's failure "to directly combat violence," and the current unavailability of the technology that would be required to implement the digitized FID card.
A3797 - conditionally vetoed because of one section that required the State Police to breach confidentiality of federal gun trace data in direct violation of federal law that limits the data to law enforcement only. This was an attempt by frustrated gun banners to circumvent that federal law, so that idiosyncrasies of the ATF's trace system could be exploited and manipulated to falsely suggest that law abiding citizens are a source of "crime guns." ATF has opposed similar efforts to circumvent confidentiality, which could compromise ongoing investigations. If the legislature amends the bill to remove this illegal provision, the amended bill would then return to the Governor's desk.
