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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>NO SALES AT TWO MAJOR PENNSYLVANIA GUN SHOWS

7 May, Pittsburgh and Harrisburg. PSA News. Gun sales at two major
gunshows, both scheduled a year in advance, were shut down by Janet Reno and
Pennsylvania State Legislators.

The so-called "Instant Check" system was shut down for "maintenance" for the
entire day with no consideration or prior notice being given to those
dealers and gun buyers who obey the law.

There is no gunshow loophole in Pennsylvania. The same laws apply in
gunshows as they do at ever other location in the state. When a dealer sets
up in a gunshow, he must obey the same laws as he does in his store. Every
time a dealer attempts to sell any shotgun, rifle or handgun to any person
he must first access the instant check system.

Frustrated dealers repeatedly called the Pennsylvania State Police PICS
system and were told that they could not process any applications because
the federal NICS system had been shut down for "maintenance". Dealers were
not told how long the system would be down. Prospective buyers stood by for
hours, only to walk away in disgust when the shows closed.

Under federal law, Pistol Permit holders are exempt from instant check
because they have already been checked when they got the permit to carry a
concealed pistol. Unfortunately, unlike permit holders in other states,
Pennsylvania permit holders, must get an instant check every time they guy
any gun from a dealer.

The instant check system has been shut down more than 100 times last year
but, Pennsylvania legislative leadership refused requests to exempt
Pennsylvania Permit holders from the check.

What about permit holders who have had permits revoked? If a pistol permit
is revoked, a permit holder must immediately surrender the permit. If
permit holders were exempt from the instant check and a person with a
revoked permit were to purchase a gun with the revoked permit he would be
committing felonies under state law and under federal law and the
Pennsylvania State Police would soon be aware of this when the they get the
paperwork from the dealer.

Lets use some common sense. If a person had a permit to carry a concealed
pistol. It is almost certain that he also had a gun to carry with that
permit. If the permit was revoked, or the person lost the right to posses a
firearm, he already has a gun. It makes no sense for him to commit more
felonies to get another gun from a dealer.

Janet Reno is abusing the instant check to attempt to destroy gun shows
because gun shows are a place where sportsmen and collectors gather. At the
Pittsburgh show, the top officers of the Pennsylvania Sportsmen's Assn.,
(PSA), Allegheny County Sportsmen's League (ACSL), Firearm Owners Against
Crime (FOAC) and the Pennsylvania Gun Collectors Assn., (PGCA) were in
attendance along with thousands of law abiding gun owners who were very
disgusted with their elected representatives.

This may be an unhappy election year for legislators who continue to allow
Janet Reno to abuse instant check for the purpose of shutting down
Pennsylvania gun shows.[/quote]
 
Like the only problem with the system being shut down is that "permit holders" can't buy guns? Nobody else could, either, you know!

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This is curious...
I bought a gun in PA on Saturday at 1300 (1:00PM for you civies). This was at a shop in southern York County. We had no trouble at all getting through to NICS.
In fact, my dealer was at the Harrisburg show. One of his associates was at the shop.
 
Ezeckial: Maybe they're shutting off the system for selected areas, rather than nation-wide? Caller ID would certainly allow them to do that; Would probably allow them to get down to the level of cutting off specific gun shows or dealers, for that matter; Just look at the number the request is coming from, and say that the system is off-line if it's on a list of interdicted numbers.

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I would imagine most of the NICS checks from shows are made via cell-phone - no caller ID there. I think Reno probably has bigger fish to fry.

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"Anyone feel like saluting the flag which the strutting ATF and FBI gleefully raised over the smoldering crematorium of Waco, back in April of ‘93?" -Vin Suprynowicz
 
My .02

I'm a Police Officer, and sometimes even in the middle of the night, our NICS goes down!

WE will be doing traffic stops, and trying to run plates through the system, and the dispatcher will say :: sorry, NICS is down, and there's nothing we can do about it!

At those times however, sometimes the dispatcher can call 15 miles away into the next state (FL) and get them to run the plates for us while ours are still down in GA........
 
Deanf: What, like prosecuting her boss for all the various crimes she's refused to investigate or appoint independent counsels on? I'm not sure this administration HAS bigger fish to fry than attacking gun ownership, unless it's electing Gore President.

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NCIC/NLETS goes down all the time. That was one of the reasons that we lobbied so hard against the NICS.

And yes, there are occasional times where a Peace Officer has someone stopped, NCIC/NLETS is down, and the officer finds out sometime later that he's just ticketed a wanted felon.

I somehow doubt that those tickets ever get paid... :)

LawDog
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jeff OTMG:
scooter71, I think that is the NCIC system that you use. The NICS system is for gun transastions only.[/quote]

yeah man, you're right, I feel stupid now, what was I thinking?

I brainfarted I guess.one track mind.

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This past Sunday at the Gun Show in Dallas the system was down for a while. To my knowledge it was down from about 10am until 12:30. That's when I left, so that's all I know.
 
i have a hard time beleaving that a federal employee would be in on the weekend to do maintainence on a system that has its greatest usage on weekends

but thats just me...

dZ
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by scooter71:
My .02

I'm a Police Officer, and sometimes even in the middle of the night, our NICS goes down!

WE will be doing traffic stops, and trying to run plates through the system, and the dispatcher will say :: sorry, NICS is down, and there's nothing we can do about it!

At those times however, sometimes the dispatcher can call 15 miles away into the next state (FL) and get them to run the plates for us while ours are still down in GA........
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What do you do in a case like that, Scooter71?
 
Hopefully, another state's system is up, and they can phone the information to us.

Other times, we just have to let the driver go based on the document's they provide us. D.L./INS/Reg. etc.....

Sometimes, the dispatcher will call back long after we've let the driver go, telling us the system just came back up and they ran the D.L. and the license was suspended, or they have a warrant.

It's too late at that point.......maybe next time..
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