Newbie question

hobs

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I've been lurking on this site for several months and have got a lot of useful information. Thanks to all. I've gone to a range that rents guns and tried a lot of them. I've already decided on a gun to purchase (HK USP 9mm compact).

I have a few questions. A local gun shop has the gun for $650. Is that a good price? How much can I expect to pay to practice (range costs and ammo costs) once or twice a week? Can anyone recommend a good set of eye and ear protection that doesn't cost too much? Where can I find the best price on ammo? Being a total newbie what kind of ammo is good and what do the abbreviations FP and RN mean? What are the benefits to each type of ammo?

Thanks in advance.
 
hobs - Glad to be the first one to Welcome you here in this great site. There are no unanswered questions here. I also learned a lot. Now as for your questions, I'll let these pros answer it.

BTW I'll collect my box of ammo later. You give that prize to the first one to welcome you, in case you don't know.

vega

[This message has been edited by vega (edited June 17, 2000).]
 
Hobs,

Welcome to TFL and to the fun of shooting sports -- (rats, Vega, you beat me to it :))

I do not shoot the 9mm much (about the only highly-common handgun round I don't own) nor do I have an H&K (Glocks, Sigs, Kimbers, Colts, S&Ws). I will try, however, to answer your questions:

The H&K UPS has a terrific reputation for quality, durability, reliability, and accuracy. If you feel comfortable with this pistol -- ergonomics, sight picture and pointing, and trigger feel -- you can hardly go wrong with a UPS. If, on the other hand, you feel greater comfort with some other high-quality semiautomatic, I would reconsider your decision, because comfort is an important element to achieve accuracy. Since you have tried several autoloaders at the range, I congratulate you on a superb choice. The price seems excellent, too, although I am not an H&K expert.

Target practice costs vary widely. Here are a few suggestions:
> If you are going to shoot frequently, it may make sense to find a range that permits annual memberships (~$200), thereby eliminating hourly fees (~$10).
> In addition, a range that permits you to use your own ammunition will provide considerable savings.
> Further, it probably is smart to buy -- or make -- targets in bulk, since this, too, is a frequently unconsidered practice cost.
> Ammunition will certainly be your biggest recurring expense. I have had excellent experience buying over the Internet. Specifically, I strongly recommend ammoman.com. Their prices and selection are great, their service is the best I have experienced, there are no hidden charges (shipping and handling are included in the price cited on the Internet), and they deliver in a couple of days. You will save by buying in 1000 round lots.
> There are many excellent brands of range ammunition, including Federal, Winchester, Remington, Sellier & Bellot, Fiocchi, and others. The major manufactures (e.g., Federal, Winchester and Remington) have lower cost "range, target, and plinking" lines (such as Federal's American Eagle), which are all perfectly satisfactory for general range practice.
> Stay away from cheaper "off brands", such as Wolf and American; these brands are not safe for you or your excellent H&K semiautomatic.
> Obviously, there is a very wide variety of 9mm loads available. You will soon learn that your selection of rounds is critical; it should be based on the intended use (definitely not a "one size fits all" situation). However, for target practice early in your "shooting evolution", I respectfully recommend you consider 115 or 124 grain 9mm full metal jacket rounds (also known as "FMJ" or "ball" ammunition). You can buy quality rounds in this category for about $170 per thousand -- delivered, without any additional charges (see www.ammoman.com).
> Finally, for cleaning and maintenance supplies, ammunition, ear and eye protection, targets, etc., I suggest you comparatively shop the Internet, including several well-known and reputable suppliers such as Natchez, Midway, Ammoman, Cheaper-than-Dirt, Dillons, and others.

Welcome! BE SAFE, practice, and have fun! Share what you learn!

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Suggest you find your local USPSA club (www.uspsa.org "club finder") and ask for help.

You will be overwhelmed by the help and advice, and you'll be glad you took this advice.

FY33102

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"All my ammo is factory ammo"
 
hobs,

My 2 cents worth here, the $650 price tag on the HK seems about right, if you like it and it fits your hand and you can hit what you aim at with the HK,then its perfect, get it.

The FP is flat point and the RN is round nose, both are bullet designs, such as HP hollow point or SWC semi wad cutter.

I like the David Clarke hearing protectors, they seem to be more comfortable than some of the less expensive ones. Eye protection is imperative as well, a good set of impact resistant glasses, made by Tasco, Simmons, Browning etc are fine, if you are like me and wear glasses, then are proababaly OK but glass lenses are not recommended.

Shop around for ammo, www.ammoman.com is very good as is www.midway.com or www.coledistributing.com (?), check for specials etc, you can find some deal out there.

Ranges, that is a whole other deal, I will not shoot at a range where I cant take my own ammo, either factory or reloads, I reload so I use my own. I also wont use a range that will not allow me to police my brass, its mine and I will keep it if I want to. Fees are quite variable, good advice on annual membership, it encourages more use. You can buy targets at a variety of places, Wal-Mart, K-Mart or off the net, you will save by buying your own, target prices at ranges tend to run a little high.

Best of luck, have fun, be safe and the only dumb questions is the one you dont ask.
 
The advice from the (very) cheap seats is rent, rent, rent if you can. My taste in guns has changed dramatically over my first six months of shooting, as I've shot my way through the local gun store's rental inventory.

Of course, maybe you've already done that.

OOPS, you already did rent, and I can't figure out how to delete this! Hey, honest, folks, I'm a really smart guy :-).

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ahlan wa sahlan
PCV Yemen 1984-86

[This message has been edited by munir (edited June 17, 2000).]
 
The advice from the (very) cheap seats is rent, rent, rent if you can. My taste in guns has changed dramatically over my first six months of shooting, as I've shot my way through the local gun store's rental inventory.

Of course, maybe you've already done that.



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ahlan wa sahlan
PCV Yemen 1984-86
 
Another question, but this one may be stupid. If I collect used brass and don't reload can I sell it? And if so to whom?
 
Seems like you have your first questions answered and its MY turn to answer your other one. If you collect your brass can you sell it, and to who? Yes you can. Local gun stores who seel their reloads would love to buy your ammo. My family doesnt reload(yet), and we have sold lots of empties to to local gun store. I am talking about like "Mom and Pop" stores. Have fun, sounds like a great gun, happy shooting.
 
Hobs,

I would suggest that once you buy that H&K (Excellent Choice) you might want to try several different types of ammo to find out what your gun likes to eat. I found out that my SIG will eat just about anything. (BURP!)
;)

If you start to shoot a couple of times a week, you might want to look into a reloading press. We did and it saved us quite a bit.



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The Other Wakal
 
Welcome to a great hobby. Although I am not a frequent poster here, you have gotten some great advice. The only other thing I would add is to join the NRA and to practice safe gun handling. The NRA is our best hope for keeping our hobby legal, especially if you live in a place like Calif. It's not expensive and you get a good monthly magazine out of it. In terms of safe gun handling, if you have not had some formal training from an experienced shooter, I would suggest you take a class or sign up for some private training. Enjoy and be safe.
 
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