NEW YORK LITMUS TEST FOR NATION ! ! !

Pickupdan

New member
Hello all,

If you have not heard, Gov George Pataki is proposing sweeping gun control laws.

In a nutshell

1) semi-auto rifle ban. (Called the ASSUALT WEAPON BAN!)
2) gun show loop hole closing. Definition, two people, a firearm and a transaction. NO MORE PRIVATE SALES!
3) mandatory trigger locks
4) min NY age to purchase handguns 21
5) fingerprinting of guns (ballistics markings from barrel).

The scary thing is and I quote "Pataki noted that many of his proposals are supported by GOP presidential candidate George W. Bush, including raising the age for handgun ownership and banning assault weapons."

This moving into the national arena and is just not a New York issue.

I strongly encourge each and everyone here to write to Mr. Pataki and express your views on these matters. If this type of gun control laws pass here in New York, it will be as a sign that the Nation as a whole would accept this type of legislation.

His email address is gov.pataki@chamber.state.ny.us
and his phone number is 518.474.8390 or Fax is 518.474.3767

Anyone with good contacts with the NRA, GOA or Pro Second Amendment Organizations, PLEASE make them aware of what is going on and get some action on this matter. If you have good contacts, please email or phone myself. I still yet to hear back from the NRA or GOA...
I have notified all our C.A.N. members and have been seeing some positive actions on their part.....

Those of you that are just starting to be aware of this please take the time to read the following articles

http://www.nydailynews.com/2000-03-15/News_and_Views/Beyond_the_City/a-60046.asp

http://news.excite.com/news/ap/000314/20/pataki-guns

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGIUFY19U5C.html

The brush fire has hit the woods and we need to put it out before it takes out the entire forest.

Best regards,
Dan Tucker
NY C.A.N. Op
518.563.8011 ext 254
 
Well, here is the Press release...
IT IS AN OUTRIGHT BAN OF Semi-automatic rifles. We will never have the chance to register them.....

Scarey thing is that George W. Bush supports Pataki's proposals. This is a national issue not just a New York issue now....

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
March 15, 2000
GOVERNOR PROPOSES FIVE POINT PLAN TO COMBAT GUN VIOLENCE

Plan Includes "Gun DNA" to Provide Police with New Tools
Governor George E. Pataki today proposed a five-point plan to combat gun violence in New York State, including a "Gun DNA" program that would make New York a national leader in digitized ballistics tracking and enable law enforcement to trace the history of a handgun.
The five-point plan would require child safety locks to be sold with firearms at the time of sale; ban assault weapons, mirroring federal legislation; close the loophole in federal law by requiring background checks for purchases at all gun shows; require individuals to be 21 years old to get a permit and purchase a handgun; and implement the Gun DNA program.
"While New York State has lead the nation with a 34 percent drop in violent crime since 1994, we still have too much gun violence in our communities. Each year more New Yorkers are killed by guns than die in car crashes -- and that must change," Governor Pataki said. "These common-sense measures will help keep guns away from children and out of the hands of criminals.
"The Gun DNA plan will provide police with an important tool that will give them a running start on their investigations, enabling them to catch violent criminals quicker," the Governor said. "Like our legislation to expand New York's DNA Databank to include all convicted criminals, Gun DNA can provide irrefutable evidence that can solve crimes. Gun DNA is the next step for New York as we continue to develop innovative crime fighting policies."
Under the Gun DNA program, handgun manufacturers who sell to dealers in New York, and/or the dealers themselves would be required to transmit bullets and shell casings from every handgun in their inventory to the State Police's Forensic Investigative Center. The computer images of those bullets and casings would be downloaded into a digitized computer database. Those images would then be used by law enforcement officials attempting to trace the origins of guns used in crimes.
The Gun DNA plan follows up on Governor Pataki proposal last month to further expand the State's DNA Databank by requiring all convicted criminals to submit a DNA sample -- the most far-reaching DNA law in America.
Under a law Governor Pataki signed into law in 1999, only certain convicted criminals are required to submit DNA samples. Yet, that law, which took effect on December 1, lead to an arrest on Monday in the 20- year-old murder of a young Westchester woman. The suspect's DNA sample had been entered into the Databank because he was in State prison for robbery and was required under the new law to submit a sample.
"We have demonstrated that our DNA database can provide crime- solving evidence for police and prosecutors," Governor Pataki said. "We must expand the database and move forward with the Gun DNA plan -- giving law enforcement a powerful new one-two punch to solve crimes."
According to the Federal Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) nearly 90 percent of all the guns used in crimes are handguns, and an estimated 70 percent of adult inmates reported obtaining their guns from sources other than the black market -- including retailers, family and private owners. A Congressional study of ATF data reported that 1 percent of the nation's federally licensed firearms dealers were responsible for selling nearly one-half of the guns traced to crime in 1998.
New York City Police Commissioner Howard Safir said, "It is with pleasure that I join with Governor Pataki in calling for stricter gun control measures in New York State. The Governor's five point plan is a common sense approach to tightening the distribution, tracking and maintenance of firearms within our State. Although New York still has some of the toughest gun laws in the nation, this plan will close some of the loopholes that allow guns to end up in the hands of criminals, as well as keep our children safe from gun-related accidents. The benefits of these measures will be seen in the innocent lives that are saved and so I urge the State Legislature to act quickly on these important bills."
Westchester County District Attorney Jeanine Pirro, President of the New York State Association of District Attorneys, said, "It is time to deal with today's reality and that is that more people die in the United States of gun injuries than any other place in the world. This is an effort that will assist law enforcement in prevention, investigation and prosecution of crime."
Richard M. Aborn, member of the Board of Directors of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence, and former President, Handgun Control Inc., said, "The Governor's proposal is precisely the sort of imaginative, comprehensive legislation that we need. It is crystal clear that gun control forms a critical component of an overall crime fighting strategy. This proposal smartly ties together law enforcement provisions with prevention and would make a welcomed addition to the fight to control gun violence."

Child Safety Locks

The child safety lock provision would require any person, firm or corporation that sells firearms to provide at the time of sale, delivery or transfer a gun locking device that will prevent the weapon from being discharged. Additionally, a notice regarding the use of a locking device and the safe storage of weapons must be displayed in all businesses selling weapons in New York.
According to the Center for Disease Control (CDC) firearm injuries in 1994 were the second leading cause of death for young people between the ages of 10 and 24, and there were 787 unintended firearm deaths among persons aged 10 to 29, accounting for 58 percent of all unintentional firearm deaths in the nation that year.
Also according to the CDC, the rate of firearm death in the United States of children ages 0 to 14 is nearly 12 times higher than in 25 other industrialized nations combined. More than 800 Americans, young and old, die each year from guns shot by children under the age of 19.

Assault Weapons Ban

The Governor's plan would also establish criminal sanctions for the possession and sale of assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices in New York State. Since 1994, federal law has restricted the possession of assault weapons and large capacity clips. This measure would mirror the federal provisions and definitions of "assault weapon" and "large capacity feeding device," as well as the exclusions and exemptions applicable to each.
This proposal would make it a Class D violent felony to possess either an assault weapon or a large capacity ammunition feeding device, and a Class C violent felony to unlawfully sell an assault weapon or large capacity clip. In addition, the unlawful sale of 10 or more of either item is punishable as a Class B violent felony.

Closing the Loophole

Under the federal Brady Law, sales of guns by federally licensed firearms dealers must be accompanied by a background check. Gun shows are not subject to the Brady Law unless a sale at the show involves a federally licensed dealer.
Last spring, Governor Pataki directed that any gun show conducted on State property must require that all sales, regardless of the status of the seller, be accompanied by a background check. This proposal would require background checks on all sales at all gun shows in New York State.

Raising the Legal Age

The final provision of the Governor's plan would require individuals to be 21 years old to get a permit and purchase a handgun.
More than 70 percent of homicides are committed with a firearm, and each year since 1988, more than 80 percent of homicide victims 15 to 19 years of age were killed with a gun, according to the CDC.
Katherine N. Lapp, New York State Director of Criminal Justice, said, "Recognizing the dangers of alcohol, a minor must be 21 to drink anywhere in the United States. It stands to reason that the same rational should be applied to handgun ownership. The Governor's proposal is common sense criminal justice policy that will undoubtedly save lives."
 
"...his measure would mirror the federal provisions and definitions of "assault weapon" and "large capacity feeding device," as well as the exclusions and exemptions applicable to each. "

Interesting turn of phrase, "as well as exclusions and exemptions applicable to each." What, prey tell, does that mean?
 
Friends,

Just got off the phone with Caroline Quartararo, she is the Criminal Justice Contact at Gov. Pataki's office and that crafted the press release that I had circulated earlier.....

As far as the Closing the Gun show loophole, they are looking to enforce what has already taken place. With large organized events, to have FFL's selling and no private individuals. They are not looking to stop person to person transfers..I was originally misinformed on this...

Child Safety locks...Each new handgun today comes with a trigger lock so big deal.....

Raising the Legal age to 21 on hand gun purchases. I informed her of many match events that younger law abiding individuals participate in. She was going to look into this and maybe a demonstrated ability on their part or a cosigner or mentor of 21 years and existing pistol permit...she said she would fax me and let me take a look! Go figure....

The Assault Weapons Ban.......

She did not have a clue what the hell she was talking about. She really thought that semi-auto's were banned by the Brady-Bill as well as 20-30rd mags..... I explained the Brady Bill as I know it and they are looking to mirror it. What has happened is the Federal Government does not enforce the Brady Bill. Duh.... So they are looking to have a state law so the DA's can prosecute you if you have a postban with a telescoping stock etc... Large capacity feeding devices...As long as they are preban, they be fine.....Again, she is sending me some revised wording to clarify this issue...
The only down side, when and if the Brady bill does expire and we still have some postban-preban issues here in NY...That would be bad.....

As far as the DNA of pistol's, well that is a contentious issue. As a friend relayed to me today, look what happened in NYC. First you registered your AW and then they went door to door taken them away. Today we have to have a pistol permit as it is...so we are already there with this. If they want to take a sample shell and bullet? We need to debate this one....

I will be looking forward to Caroline's revised press release and will forward that as soon as I recieve it! And when the bill gets introduced, I expect to get a copy to share also....

Anyways......Keeping the pressure on Pataki is good and I feel a little better about this today then I did yesterday.........

Best regards,
Dan
NY C.A.N. Op
518.563.8011 ext254
 
I am asking for a little more help...
The NRA and GOA have not really even returned my phone calls. So hear is the Deal...

1)The NRA New York Lobbist is Becky William at 703.267.1224 and has been "out of town?" for the past three days. Lets start holding their feet to the fire and get some action out this organization. Or if you want to be put on hold for hours on end call the NRA ILA office at 800.392.8683

Anybody have other usefull contacts at the NRA?

2) The GOA New York Contact is Dennis Fusaro (pardon the spelling) at 703.321.8585...Still waiting for a return call to see what they are looking to do. Only got thru yesterday to find out who to contact, but inquiring minds would like to know what if anything the GOA would be doing.

703 area code...sound like the same town to me!

Is it, unless it is a national issue you are on your own! Just looking for answers....

Both have email alert systems...When this first broke, I and I am sure many of you emailed and let them know.....I know I have not recieved anything about whats going on in NY from them.

Keep the phone lines burning and emails flowing......And thanks for all the support so far!

Best regards,
Dan
NY C.A.N. Op
dtucker@schonbek.com
 
Thanks for the info Dan. I live in NYc and have been going through the "honor" of applying for the Target Handgun permit.

Its good too know that there's somebody else from NYC city on TFL.

Chris Nemeth
 
Hey,

The calls are working...The NRA and GOA just gave me a call.....They are both working on strategy to combat this latest attack....With the strong grassroots support here in New York they both feel a strong counter attack can be mounted....

I understand a the proposed legislation has been drafted and working on getting a copy of the bitch....

Keep the pressure on!

Dan
NY C.A.N. Op
dtucker@schonbek.com
 
Gore, Bush, Gore, Bush, Gore, Bush, Gosh, Bure, Gosh, Bure. Sorry, but the more I learn about each, the more they tend to blur together in my mind.

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“The rights you have are the rights given you by this Committee. We will determine what rights you have and what rights you have not got.” J. Parnell Thomas, House Un-American Activites Committee.
 
Don't forget to send the Emails this weekend.

Thanks for all that you have do so far!

Dan
NY C.A.N. Op
dtucker@schonbek.com
 
Friends,

Found another angle to turn up the heat on Gov Pataki. If he is considering to be George W. Bush VP canidate, let the Republican party know that you will not support them if they have Pataki as a running mate.....

Just got an email with these numbers of the Bush Machine....

Westchester Bush 914-949-3020
New York Bush 212-490-2002
Bush Texas HQ 512-637-2000
Westchester GOP 914-949-3020

Let everyone know the turncoat Pataki is! Let the phone lines sizzle.....

Best regards,
Dan
NY C.A.N. Op
dtucker@schonbek.com
 
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