New SW model 66-8

ranchito457

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Just picked up the new SW model 66-8.
I'm just getting into revolvers and don't know much about them.But after handling it and also holding a Ruger gp100 while in the gun shop I have a feeling there will be a lot more revolvers than semi autos coming home from now on...
I've read in the past the K frames that you shouldn't fire full power 357 loads all the time out of it.Honestly it makes me kind of nervous.Is my fear justified or am i reading a bunch of bull about em.
 
Its bull in my view.... especially if you shoot the "typical" round thru it in .357 mag ( which is the 158gr bullet )....

Some forcing cone issues have shown up on some of the older K frames ....if you shoot a lot of the faster 125 gr loads in .357 mag thru it...

( I have a number of K frames...model 19's and 66's ) and 99% of what they see are .357 mag full velocity ammo ...they're my reloads, with FMJ, 158gr bullets --- and none of my guns show any issues --- and the one K frame I shoot the most is a model 19-1 4" Nickel...and it gets at least 200 rds a month thru it ...../ my N frames (model 27's) get more rounds thru them...but I shoot those K frames a lot...
 
is the 66-8 the new one?

if it is the new one (new manufacture this year) you can shoot the snot out of it. they fixed the forcing cone issue with the two part barrel.

it is a k frame.
 
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158 gr loads are fine in a K frame. It's the hot 125gr loads that beat up the forcing cone on the old K frames.


Is the "new" model 66 a K frame or an L frame? Sure looks like an L in the pictures.
 
Is the "new" model 66 a K frame or an L frame? Sure looks like an L in the pictures

the new model 69 is an l frame... 44 mag.
 
It is the new one. They say its a k frame. Like I said I don't know much about revolvers. I just held it and new I wanted it.
 
Here is some info from the Smith and Wesson site...

Model 66

Video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SrV3DTG1IBAhttp://

Product Page...
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827561_-1_757769_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

Return of the K-Frame .357 Magnum®
• Full Top Strap and Barrel Serration
• Ball-Detent Lock-Up
• 2-Piece Barrel

The K-Frame revolver is one of the most important innovations in Smith & Wesson history and was built specifically to handle the .38 S&W Special cartridge. Since its introduction in 1899, the K-Frame has been a favorite for military and police professionals as well as target shooters and enthusiasts. Today's K-Frame is available in .22 LR and .38 S&W Special.

ALL BACKED BY OUR SMITH & WESSON LIFETIME SERVICE POLICY.

Availability subject to applicable federal, state and local laws, regulations, and ordinances.

This is the one I just purchase a week or so...

Model 69

Product page...
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827559_-1_757769_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

Video link...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WwD2oOAc1Z8


First L-Frame in .44 Magnum®
• Full Top Strap and Barrel Serration
• Ball-Detent Lock-Up
• 2-Piece Barrel

Smith & Wesson L-Frame revolvers are built to suit the demands of the most serious firearms enthusiast. The L-Frame has a strong, durable frame and barrel built for continuous Magnum® usage. As police officers and hunters will attest, this firearm is made to withstand heavy use.

ALL BACKED BY OUR SMITH & WESSON LIFETIME SERVICE POLICY.

Availability subject to applicable federal, state and local laws, regulations, and ordinances.

They beefed up the forcing cones on the 69 and 66- the complaint was the forcing cone was too thin on the 696 and 396 44 special models and everyone knows about the flat cut on the old model K frames- with the new two piece barrel assembly it looks like they addressed the complaints on both models. They both have a bead blasted "satin" finish - I'm not too keen on that it's scratches and shows wear worse than a blued gun without the beauty.

I have handled the 66 and the forcing cone is NOT cut like the old model K frames are.

I had to have the 69 because I can't afford the 696s. :rolleyes: I have fired full power 44 mag loads in it - I SURE WISH THEY WOULD HAVE KEPT THE FULL LUG ON THE BARREL!!!! Yikes! It was painful to say the least. Mid range 44 mag and 44 special loads are much more fun to shoot. And easier to be more accurate IMHO. Its a great carry gun for hunting, hiking, fishing or whatever you may want to do while packing a pistol. Concealed carry - not yet - at least not with the 4 1/4" barrel.

I'm with Brian48 I can't wait to see the new 66 with a short barrel.

To the O/P - your new gun will hold up just fine. Shoot it with confidence.
 
I recently picked up an old lemon squeezer. I find it amazing that today, some smiths revolver barrels are not even center or square with the frame and or canted, yet 100 years ago with such little technology, they would get it right every time, I just traded my model 500 because the frame was warped!
 
The issue with K-Frame Magnums was never really full-power Magnum ammo in and of itself, but rather full-power Magnum ammo with light bullets. You see, the older K-Frames with one-piece barrels had a flat spot ground on the outside of the forcing cone at the six o'clock position. This had to be done in order to make enough clearance for the yoke when the cylinder was closed. Unfortunately, this design produces a thin spot in the forcing cone at the six o'clock position and that is where the issues for K-Frame Magnums arose.

You see, even with the thin spot, the forcing cones were still plenty stout enough for .38 Special ammo and the 158gr .357 Magnum loads available when the original K-Frame Combat Magnum was introduced in the 1950's. In the 70's and 80's, however, .357 Magnum ammo with lighter 110-125gr bullet came into vogue and then the problems began. The lighter bullets are also shorter and thus have not completely sealed the chamber throat by the time the base of the bullet has left the case. This, in turn, allows hot gas and burning powder to flow around the bullet and into the forcing cone thus accelerating wear in that area. If the forcing cone is subjected to enough of this erosion, it can eventually crack and if it does, it invariably does so at the six o'clock position where it is weakest. Because of this, the standard advice with older K-Frame Magnums is to restrict their shooting to .38 Special ammo or .357 Magnum ammo with bullets no lighter than 140gr.

Now, I have heard and read that there are other factors that contribute to the longevity of K-Frame forcing cones as well. I've read that many of the revolvers which turn up with cracked forcing cones also have significant lead deposits from less-than-optimum cleaning in their forcing cones. I've seen it claimed that stainless steel models (M65 and 66) are less likely to crack forcing cones than carbon steel models (M13 and 19). I've also seen it claimed that the problem became more prominent after S&W switched from pinned barrels to crush-fit barrels in the early 80's. I cannot verify any of this so my personal policy is to follow the .38 Spl/140+gr .357 Mag ammo recommendation for any older K-Frame magnum regardless of the steel it's made of or the manner in which its barrel is secured.

Now, some have said that the two-piece barrel of the new M66 has eliminated the flat ground spot. I cannot confirm or deny this as I haven't had the opportunity to handle and examine one of the new specimens. The only two-piece barrel K-Frame I've handled is my younger sisters M64 which is chambered for .38 Special only. On that gun, while it is less apparent, there does still seem to be a slight flat spot on the outside of the forcing cone at the six o'clock position. However, S&W may have made slight dimensional modifications to the M66 so that it wouldn't share this design feature with the M64.

I guess the best advice I can give you is to contact S&W directly and ask them about ammo recommendations for the M66-8. If they say that lightweight Magnums are OK, then I'd fire them without hesitation. Newly manufactured S&W handguns have a lifetime warranty to the original purchaser so any issues you might have should be covered unless you are firing ammo that they specifically warn against. Of course, I don't see how simply sticking to the ammo recommendation for older K-Frames would hurt the longevity of your gun either so you could always simply avoid lightweight Magnums all together (there are plenty of good .357 Magnum loadings with 140gr or heavier bullets available).
 
Wouldn't the only way to eliminate the flat spot on the forcing cone be to raise the bore (the solution S&W came up with and called it an L frame) or reduce the size of the gas ring on the cylinder?


I'm curious how the new 66 could have a full width forcing cone (even with a 2 piece barrel) and STILL be a traditional K Frame size.

Not saying it can't be done... just curious to know how they accomplished it.

There's only so much room between the center of the bore and the top of the gas ring on a traditional K frame. Where did they find the extra room?
 
Here's the forcing cone on one of the new 66 models:

66_forcing_cone.jpg


This is the traditional 67 for comparison:

67_forcing_cone.jpg


I need to take some calipers and measure the frame from top to bottom, but there doesn't seem to be much of a difference in size. The big difference is the position of the forcing cone. It's been moved closer to the topstrap on the new model.

It is completely circular and lacks the flat edge at the bottom.

66_forcing_cone2.jpg
 
I have a 66-7. It was either this one or the 66-6 where they stopped using the forcing cone with the bit cut off on the bottom. I'm not too worried with mine but I prefer the 158's anyway. I wouldn't be worried at all with the new 66-8. Dang, now I want one.
 
I plan to make my first handgun a new Model 66. Always loved the "Combat Magnum" :cool:
So it's nice to know the new ones shouldn't be so picky about their Magnum diet. Not that I would be shooting 357 out of it that often anyway.

So what dash would the new 2014 release be? Is it a -8? Because from what I see the -6 was introduced in 2002 until 2005 when production was discontinued. And I never heard of any other production runs from there until now in 2014. So where did the -7 go?
Just want to know so it's easier to Google more info on the specific variant.
 
I've read in the past the K frames that you shouldn't fire full power 357 loads all the time out of it.

What was causing the rare forcing cone problem, was flamethrower .125Gr. rounds. If you stick with 158Gr. bullets you should have no problems. Do keep in mind though, smoking hot .357 Magnum rounds are not always a lot of fun to shoot in a K frame.
 
What was causing the rare forcing cone problem, was flamethrower .125Gr. rounds.
In my experience, it was the really short 110gr bullets for the most part. The problems I heard with 125gr loads were the >1500ft/s ones.

With normal 125gr loads, I've never seen forcing cone issues.
 
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