New Orleans Fires 60 Police Officers

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New Orleans Fires 60 Police Officers

Friday, December 09, 2005

NEW ORLEANS — The city has fired 60 police officers and suspended more than 25 others who didn't show up for duty in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, the city's police chief said Thursday as officials worked their way through a long list of disciplinary hearings.

Most of the fired officers, 51 of them, were let go before the hearings began, Police Chief Warren Riley said.

The 228 officers now involved in the disciplinary hearings left New Orleans without permission in the days after the hurricane hit, the chief told The Associated Press in an interview.

"They did return. But they left without permission, and at a critical time like this, it's totally unacceptable," Riley said.

The hurricane hit on Aug. 29, leaving much of the city under water and in chaos. Looters broke into stores and homes, there were reports of shootings in the streets, and there were assaults inside the Superdome, where thousands of residents who were unable to evacuate rode out the storm.

Some of New Orleans' police officers were stranded in the flooding and unable to check in with their commanders, but others were accused of adding to the chaos.

For Riley, sworn in as police chief Nov. 28 following the resignation of Eddie Compass, getting the questions out of the way and scrubbing the department's image has become a priority.

He said officials are now about one-fifth of the way through the 228 disciplinary hearings, with 42 completed.

So far, two officers listed as AWOL have been exonerated, Riley said.

"We've had nine people that have been terminated, one captain resigned under investigation, one sergeant was demoted, one sergeant received a 40-day suspension, two officers were cleared, exonerated of any misconduct," Riley said. "The remaining officers of those 42 received anywhere from 30 to 95 days suspensions."

Officers missing for 14 days are being fired. Absences under 14 days result in a suspension, Riley said.

Riley defends the majority of his 1,500 officers, but he acknowledges that a handful of rogue cops had caused trouble and stirred uneasiness and mistrust in the public. The desertions, allegations of theft and looting, and the videotaped beating of a retired teacher by police in the French Quarter have tarnished the department's reputation nationally.

"It's my opinion that only 40 or 50 people, and hopefully some of them are gone, that really makes this department have a bad reputation," Riley said.

The FBI and federal drug enforcement agents will help train the department in behavior and leadership skills starting in January, Riley said.

In the meantime he hopes to see some of the investigations of his officers wrapped up.

The desertion hearing should be done by the end of February, and the three officers arrested for beating the teacher will be tried Jan. 11.

An investigation also continues into a shooting five days after the hurricane in which police confronted seven people on a bridge after workers in boats reported they had been fired on. Six people on the bridge were shot, two fatally.

The state attorney general's office and the police are also investigating vehicles from a dealership. Police say some were used for rescues and patrols after the department lost 300 vehicles to flooding. But one former officer faces federal charges after he was caught in Texas with one of the vehicles.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,178222,00.html


The FBI and federal drug enforcement agents will help train the department in behavior and leadership skills starting in January, Riley said.

:eek: This should be good.:rolleyes:
 
Rich, who says they won't?
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Exactly how many cops did you see looting? I know they showed some on TV. But how many different officers? I can recall two or three, but I did not watch the coverage that much. "...51 were let go before the hearings...." Was it more than 51? Then 9 more have been fired so far for total of 60 thus far, with the PD being 1/5 through the cases.

Don't misunderstand, if 200 officers were looting, 200 should be canned/arrested. But if 10 were looting, don't accuse all the others. So I repeat, how many different officers did the news show or do you specifically know looted?
 
[Devil's Advocate Hat On]
OK. Only 2 or 3 were caught on National TV looting. Of course, all the cars looted from that Chevy Dealership would require more than just those same 2 or 3.

So let's call it 4 or 5. OK?

How many Non-Uniformed Civilians were caught on National TV looting? 20 or 30? Geez, that would indicate that the percentage of Uniformed Civilians taking advantage of the situation and breaking the law was far higher than the number of Non-Uniformed Civilians. Add in the arcane notion that Police should be held to a higher standard and, My God, it's a complete breakdown!

See what happens when we try to dismiss bad behavior, jcoiii? Somebody starts running the numbers and your positions don't hold up.

Fact: The vast majority of NOPD officers, like officers nationwide, are Civil Servants, act as such and are owed our gratitude.

Fact: Some percentage of those who were, yesterday, mere civilians have the same weaknesses they did before they pinned the badge on. A few should probably fry.

Fact: New Orleans, LA is a hotbed of political graft, corruption, mob activity and crime. Why would we be indignant to find that the Civilians who carry Badges include a measurable percent of Bad Apples?
Rich
 
Agreed Rich....

Ya know - I remember taking a Law Enforcement Ethics class over 15 years ago. One of the things we discussed was corruption and cowardice. NOPD was mentioned as having copious amounts of both, worst in the counrty - professor's had experience in the are and many other places (30yrs + each in multiple large depts). Funny how it's taken this earth shaking event to bring such a thing to the attention of the nation - been known a long time.

Good news is, maybe this will also brings things there to a higher level. Then somewhere else's department can be known as the nation's "worst." There's always going to be one, will it be yours?
 
yorec NO was found to have a corruption problem back then due to the fact the pay was so low that a large segment of the Officers were living below the povety line!

They increased the pay and cleaned house on the ranks.
 
Rich, I'm confused. I know you were playing devil's advocate, I think I just missed something. Were you saying (either tongue in cheek or not) that all officers should be fired because some of them looted?

And also, I'm not sure what position I held up other than only those who did loot should be fired for looting (saying nothing regarding those who abandoned their posts since I think case by case is the way to handle that part).

And statistics? What statistics? I really wasn't trying to make a point at all (other than stated above) and was simply asking if there was a count on the officers who did, in fact, loot. So, any clarification would be greatly appreciated.
 
NO was found to have a corruption problem back then due to the fact the pay was so low that a large segment of the Officers were living below the povety line!

They increased the pay and cleaned house on the ranks.

It seems from the aftermath of Katrina, the "House Cleaning" of the NOPD left more than a few Dust Bunnies.:rolleyes:
 
jcoiii-
But you most certainly did infer statistics, when you indicated how low the raw numbers of looting cops were. I simply followed your lead into a statistical (numeric) comparison of the Non-Uniformed Civilian Polulace.

Soooooo-
If you're arguing that a little looting is OK on all sides of the Civilian Populace, I'd have to disagree. (I know you didn't argue that). The only other explanation is, you're agreeing that criminal behavior exists, and should be heartily renounced and punished on all sides of the Civilian Populace. On this, you have my hearty agreement.

Of course, I now have to come full circle and question why you pointed up how "low" the numbers of filmed, Uniformed Criminals was.

My Point: "YOU" are "US/Them". For good or for bad. Let's not forget that.
Rich
 
I wonder? There was mention in the past of NOPD corruption that involved ghost officers. These were fabricated positions to justify budget for purchases of real goods and party booze. Could the 51 "fired" have actually existed ONLY on paper? The 9 actual trials would have been real officers who were gone for longer than two weeks. I really want to know where the stolen/commandeered Caddys went! What was their final disposition?
 
TBO..you must be kidding.corruption was known to have been going on there far earlirer than the hurricane and it wasnt any BIG secret either, the only difference is it has been exposed to the public now over the entire us which caught the attention of bigshots who had to finally do something about it over political pressure.


there are certainly alot of other corrupt activities going on in other areas and alot of good cops taking heat from it that are not involved.time will tell.
 
Rich, let me clarify. I, myself, did not watch a whole lot of news coverage. I did see clips of officers looting. I don't know how many officers were looting. I'd like to know how many were looting. All of those should be fired, then prosecuted for theft. However, I will not take the step that others want to take and say that all police officers should be fired/arrested.

Someone complained that only 60 people were fired. I wanted to point out that perhaps within that 60 were the entirety of the officers who were guilty of looting. And I also pointed out that the review board was not even close to finishing with the 200+ officers under investigation. To say that "only 60 were fired" and that this is wrong implies that the person making that statement knows for a fact that more than 60 officers were looting. This may in fact be the case. I have no idea one way or the other. But if someone does know, please let all of us know for the sake of the information. If every singe officer in NO is guilty of looting, then fire all of them, then put them in jail. If one officer is innocent and all others are guilty, then that one officer is still innocent
 
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