New Orleans considers curfew.

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LSU12ga

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I for one, think this is a great idea. 8 people murdered in 6 days. They need to get the city under control> I was in NOLA for new years, and i can attest, its like having a 3rd world country an hour away.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2775658
Jan 6, 2007 — NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - New Orleans officials trying to stop a wave of murders in a city still recovering from Hurricane Katrina said on Saturday they will soon present anti-crime measures that could include a curfew.

At least seven people were shot and killed in the first week of the year in an outbreak of lawlessness that has sparked a public outcry for action.

The murder of a young filmmaker, Helen Hill, on Thursday stepped up the pressure on police.

Hill was shot in her home near the French Quarter during a possible robbery attempt. Her husband, Paul Gailiunas, a physician found holding their 2-year-old son, was also shot but survived.

Mayor Ray Nagin and Police Chief Warren Riley said at a news conference a strategy against the murders would be presented in coming days.

A curfew was among steps being considered, Riley said. A dusk-to-dawn curfew was imposed in the chaotic days after Katrina flooded the southern U.S. city in August 2005 and worked well, he said.

New Orleans, now with less than half of its pre-storm population of 480,000 people, had 161 homicides in 2006, four times the national average on a per capita basis, according to FBI statistics.

Nagin repeated a call police made on Thursday for residents to help by giving information about the killings. No witnesses have come forward so far.

"If we're going to solve this problem, we're going to need more citizen input," the mayor said.

New Orleans' murder rate, which for years has ranked among the highest in the United States, has been blamed on poor education, joblessness and a police force that has shrunk to 1,200 officers, from 1,668 before Katrina.

National Guard troops and state police officers are helping by patrolling parts of the city badly damaged by Katrina and mostly deserted.

Despite 16 months having passed since Katrina struck, Nagin said it was still affecting the city's psyche. The overall mortality rate, not including the murders, was up 50 percent since before the storm, he said. "People are literally dying of broken hearts," Nagin said.
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Perhaps if they hadn't disarmed the populace this wouldn't be an issue. But there is nobody but the government of NOLA to blame..they created a city full of victims.
 
So the city pop is less then half of what it was. The number of police hasnt dropped by half. Not to bash but what aren't they doing now then they were doing before. But alot of it has to be with not to sound racist, but the minority population is at a higher ratio than it was before. Also it seems that the cities' popluation is probably alot less finantially secure also.
 
Actually, I'm pretty sure the city is a whole lot whiter than it was before all this. There has been some immigration of hispanics, but they work all damn day building things and have little interest in crime after they finish hauling around lumber for 8-12hrs.

And actually, Fn, your analysis of the situation does sound racist, despite your statement to the contrary.

They talk about curfews every time a few people get shot but tourists do not come to narlins for the daytime entertainment. It would be a stupid move.

It was like a 3rd world nation before the hurricaine. This is nothing new.

Perhaps you should stay in your lame backwater town and avoid the fun entirely, LSU. I don't think you have what it takes to handle it.
 
old bill I knew it had that racist sound to it, but it is no lie that when you stick a bunch of (coughs) lowerclass people together, crime goes up.
 
Just curious, how is it a good idea? How about getting some cops that do their job instead of what NOLA has typically had in the past. Every time I go there the cops seem more interested in the easy bust (drunk tourist) versus the tough one (250lb crack dealer with a gun).
BTW: I don't drink, so it's not sour grapes from ever being hassled by NOLA's finest.:rolleyes: Just an observation.
 
Shall we look at this curfew proposal for a moment?

How is it to be imposed? Dusk to dawn? 10pm to dawn? What would be the actual hours?

Grocery Stores and Restaurants? Are you really going to mandate that these service industry business', close long enough before the curfew to allow their guests and employees to get home? Or will they be excepted?

Bars, Cocktail Lounges and Sports Grills? Will they be excepted or will the city reimburse the owners the lost profits?

Gas Stations/Stop-and-robs/Truck Stops? Are they excepted or does NOLA not have any?

Hospitals? Shifts at hospitals generally don't fit easily into the standard 8 to 5 schedule. Are they excepted?

Night courses at LSU? Are they to be excepted?

When one stops and thinks about all the genuine things that go on about the "dark" hours in any city, there will be so many exceptions as to make any kind of curfew unmanageable.

And.... We haven't even scratched the surface of the legality of imposing a curfew on citizens in a non-emergency situation. The courts take a dim view of such impositions on the freedoms of the citizenry to conduct their business and recreational interests without an actual bona fide emergency having been declared.
 
New Orleans has always been a violent city. A combination of corruption in office, and a Third World underclass inevitably lead to just that. The "helping" of 60 years of Liberal feel-good legislation hasn't created an upwardly mobile society, but rather fixed the less encouraged in place. People with money and time on their hands seem to find things to do that may not meet with overall approval.

Areas of New Orleans are great, and that's where you'll find the greatest concentration of Police, keeping the "image" of New Orleans as a fun city alive. Once you get out of those, you will find a city with nice neighborhoods, and cities with areas that rival the squatter's cities outside of many Third and Fourth World capitols.

Curfews smack of just those places. The priviliged would be exempt there, as well. Instead, how about we remove the corruption, reduce the social services load, and let some of the entitled get to work rebuilding their city. Oh, and we send the "refugees" back. They seem to have brought their violent ways to wherever they were transported.:barf:
 
Murder rate up in Houston, TX, also

Houston welcomed Katrina victims with open arms. Thousands stayed and didn't return to NOLA. Go figure.
 
I have mixed feelings about the curfew.

On one side, I'm a musician and I live about 20 minutes north of New Orleans. That's where I make the better money playing shows. A curfew would hurt my turnout more than the murders and bar robberies.

On the flipside, I knew Helen Hill and Paul personally and it makes me sick to think of what happened to them. They weren't drung dealers or gang bangers, they were genuinely nice people. Personally I have no hope anymore for New Orleans coming back so impose a curfew, bring in more millitary, blow the whole damn place up - I don't care anymore.

It's such a confusing time to love 'Nawlins...
 
New Orleans' murder rate, which for years has ranked among the highest in the United States, has been blamed on poor education, joblessness and a police force that has shrunk to 1,200 officers, from 1,668 before Katrina.
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Curious about those numbers. I vaguely seem to remember hearing that many of the officers on NOLA's pre-Katrina payroll turned out to be accounting phantoms, not actual flesh & blood people.

Yes, no?

pax
 
Antipitas hit it on the nose. The few sour grapes are ruining the whole batch's rights on this one. Feel good laws constantly seem to stress me out.:mad:
 
They confiscated a trailer or two full of guns, but it seems to me like y'all think that that is the same as making guns illegal in NO. The city rearmed within days and they never got many of them to begin with. We had / have plenty.

Pax, you must have some experience in NO law enforcement. It's a lot like Chicago... something like 18% of the population "works" for the government, but only 1% actually do any work. The rest just have a relative or friend with political clout that can get them an extra paycheck.

Easily 33.3% of the ones who show up in uniforms / suits every day to "work" are dirty to the point of being counterproductive towards the enforcement of civil order.

Curfews will not fix any of this.
 
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A lot like Chicago, but Chicago goes to New Orleans for corruption lessons.:D "Somebody sent me.":D

Okaaaayyyy, so they want to rebuild the city's economy, an economy built on tourism and debauchery. How can you party if you have to be off the streets by dusk?:confused:

Maybe the tourists and the strippers will be given special ID badges?;)
 
NO has earned it's reputation through those that have allowed it to become the cesspool of crime and corruption that they are now complaining about.

Salvaging the swamp was a foolish thing to do.
 
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